Did Jimmy Butler even have a bad season?

“Will Jimmy Butler take his talents out of South Beach?” With the headlines swirling and the media frenzy in full force all eyes are on Jimmy Butler and Pat Riley. Jimmy has been vocal about wanting to stay in Miami and seek an extension, while Riley has criticized some of his offseason antics due to his lack of availability during the season and questioned said extension. There’s no question that Jimmy is getting older, and didn’t necessarily have a season to his usual standard – but was it even that much of a decline? The answer is no. Still there were a few irregularities.

This season, Jimmy played 60 regular season games, his second most in a Heat jersey. The downside is that he also posted his lowest steal average, lowest rebound average and had stretches where he appeared genuinely disengaged. The upside to all of this? Well, he declined in those categories by mere percentage points (1.8 to 1.3 in steals and 5.9 to 5.3 in rebounds). His game also changed slightly, with a lot more looks coming from three and him hitting them at a steady clip (his best three point percentage of his career). But forget the surface level stats – let’s look a little bit deeper.

According to Cleaning the Glass, Jimmy’s usage dropped this year to the lowest in his Heat tenure (25.1%) as a result his points per shot attempt dropped, as did his assist percentage. Respectively he still ranked in the 90th, 88th, and 95th percentile in all of those categories – elite. Jimmy’s usage rate declining is justified though, Bam Adebayo, Duncan Robinson and Tyler Herro’s usage rate jumped a couple percentage points, and adding Rozier to the mix ( a ball dominant guard) definitely had some influence.

That being said, there were still a couple of red flags, given what we’re used to with Jimmy. Jimmy’s two-point percentage fell from the 76th percentile to the 38th, with him only converting 51% of his looks there compared to 56% the season before. This is telling because Jimmy shot his lowest percentage of rim attempts in a Heat jersey, and not only that he only completed 64% of them compared to the 68% from the season before – dropping him into the 45th percentile. Jimmy was also significantly less effective from the mid-range, dropping from 47% to 43%.

Shooting Accuracy Chart

So Jimmy, known for his hard nosed interior play and blue collar buckets as well as his consistent mid-range output – didn’t have those parts of his game dialed in to the degree we’re used to this season. He did however shoot his most percentage of threes since Minnesota, bumping himself from the 34th to the 88th percentile as he shot 41% from beyond the arc. This could all very well be a sign of an evolving game, and less athleticism.

Defense and rebounding chart

Jimmy was still elite in drawing fouls, a huge component of his game – but one of the stats that’s most concerning to me is Jimmy’s steal percentage. It’s common knowledge among the Heat community that when Jimmy’s stealing the ball, he’s locked in. Jimmy is like a safety half the time, shooting the gap and stealing the ball in the lane. It’s one of the things that makes Jimmy so great. His steal percentage was the lowest its been since his rookie year dropping from 2.4% to 1.7% this dropped him down to the 83rd percentile. To put that in better perspective in the five seasons Jimmy has been in Miami he’s ranked in the 95th, 99th, 89th, and 100th percentile in steal percentage. Jimmy also did not crash the offensive boards whatsoever this season dropping 6.9% to 5.5% in offensive boards grabbed and the 77th percentile. Jimmy has not ranked below the 86th percentile since 2016.

So is this cause for concern? Yes and no. Jimmy’s advanced stats in areas are very similar to his 21-22 season where Miami finished in the #1 seed before falling to Boston in the Eastern Conference finals – I personally found that season that Jimmy deferred more, until the playoffs. Now there is some cause from concern that the reduced numbers could be considered the start of his decline, but the fact that Miami’s starting lineup was never consistent, coupled with the fact that he hasn’t really had a full offseason since he got to Miami (and suffered some nasty injuries) also likely played a role.

If we reference Five Thirty Eight’s RAPTOR rankings, they predict a large drop off in terms of wins above replacement starting this coming season. That’s something to keep an eye on.

 

Could Jimmy avoid that steep decline? Absolutely. He’s already showed signs of adjusting his game, and Wade found longevity late into his career and still remained a star (see Purple Shirt guy). With all that being said, Jimmy’s season was still elite – we just have high expectations for the man given his playoff dominance. What’s most frustrating is Jimmy showed massive improvement in the areas I was concerned about prior to his MCL injury in the play-in against Philly (5 steals before going down). Another phenomenal “Playoff Jimmy” run was potentially on the cusp.

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I for one, hope to see the next stage of his game evolve in Miami – I don’t think his window is shut just yet and I’m sure I’m not alone.

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SunManFromDogBone

Oh yeah. That’s right! We bad! We bad!
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Reality Czech

That hair, like the emo style at the beginning of the season, has just one purpose: to draw attention to oneself. I’d prefer he let his effort on the court do that.

SunManFromDogBone

ANOTHER OPTION AT CENTER, IF HE IS STILL AVAILABLE – KYLE FILIPOWSKI
Aside from Bam Adebayo, the Heat’s frontcourt rotation is a bit lacking. Kevin Love could return next season, but his days of operating as a full-time backup five are in the rearview mirror. Miami is good at making the most of hodgepodge lineups and mismatched pieces, but a truly bankable backup center could work wonders. Especially if that backup center can also share the floor with Bam Adebayo in taller lineups.
Duke sophomore Kyle Filipowski was among the most productive players in college basketball last season. He returned for unfinished business, but also to work through a hip injury and showcase improved lateral agility on defense. Mission accomplished. Flip’s defensive playmaking was remarkable in his second season (1.1 steals, 1.5 blocks). There is natural trepidation about centers with negative wingspans, but Flip can anchor a drop coverage scheme or guard out in space.

He plays a particularly gritty, physical brand of defense. Filipowski would thrive in Miami’s competitive ecosystem. The offense also stands out, of course, as the 20-year-old averaged 16.4 points and 2.8 assists on .505/.348/.671 splits. There are concerns about how “real” Flip’s shooting is — that free throw clip isn’t the most reassuring — but he looks calm and confident launching behind the 3-point line.
Assuming the jumper translates, the rest should fall into place for Filipowski. He can handle the rock, pass on the move, and score from different areas of the floor. Equally comfortable uncorking a mid-range jumper or pirouetting for a finish in the lane, Filipowski can beat defenses in a variety of ways. He’s one of the best passing 7-footers to enter the league in recent years, which is the real appeal. Miami would have the chance to deploy two bigs that can handle, pass, and score at multiple levels. Flip can run some of the same sets Bam does. It’s a great match.

SunManFromDogBone
Big_guy305

Intriguing, I would definitely get him, if he’s still there at 15.

ManilaHeat

Lets see…
“Filip with the and one!”
Or…
“Powski with the great finish!”
Hmmm….
Whatya think? lol

SunManFromDogBone

Keep your day job Manila.

SunManFromDogBone

If Jonas Valanciunas doesn’t re-sign with the New Orleans Pelicans, there could be a strong market for him in free agency.

Miami Heat

Heading into the offseason, the Miami Heat will have plenty on their plate. In a perfect world, the Heat would be able to find an ideal All-Star talent to play next to Bam Adebayo and Jimmy Butler. However, as we saw last season, we do not live in a perfect world and Miami doesn’t necessarily have the elite assets that it’s likely going to take to score one of those types of players via trade. Nevertheless, at this point, it would be shocking if he didn’t make at least some changes to their roster this summer.

Assuming that is going to end up being the case, you have to imagine that adding a defensive-minded center could be near the top of that list. Now that Bam has extended his offensive repetoire to the three-point line, it’ll be interesting to see if Miami is at least open to the idea of finding a defensive-minded center that could play next to them on a full-time basis.

If that’s an option for Miami heading into the offseason, that’s where a player like Jonas Valanciunas can come to play for the team.

https://sircharlesincharge.com/posts/nba-rumors-4-perfect-fits-that-could-steal-jonas-valanciunas-from-pelicans-in-free-agency/2?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email&sc=e0273490fd355e2c28bdb25751d41af65a4dd80936ff00a80be9866c97887955

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SunManFromDogBone

Interesting options for Heat at #15 spot in draft.
https://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft

Three centers projected to go from #16-19. Edey projected to go at 30. See stat comparisons of top centers.
https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=donovan-clingan–kyle-filipowski–yves-missi–kel-el-ware–zach-edey

SunManFromDogBone
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vagibugi

No chance… we are not in 90s. No wonder he is not projected to be first pick.

SunManFromDogBone

What is your solution to 2010’s “small ball” if you have one?

vagibugi

To find big, skilled players, instead of small skilled players. Jovic and JJJ are a good start.

I watched Indiana yesterday Great team. Great team, which plays great basketball.

heat for life

give up quickness for gigantasism.not to many 7 4 guys in the world.hopefully he is not to lead footed.draft him if hes there

Big_guy305

I’d be happy with filipowski too. Even though he’s only 7 foot lol, and probably the best or 2nd best shooter at the C spot.

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heat for life

jamal murray i thought u would continue suking u heat pad towel throwing pos.i was wrong great game son hope thats the last one u have this year,also markeiff morris says hi

Big_guy305

I told you they wasn’t going to get swept lol

heat for life

i thought jamal forget how to play bball.edwards was really passive though

SunManFromDogBone

Zach Edey. With Miami’s conditioning program, weights and skill development, this guy could free up Bam to run amok.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qLD2NRnVbo

oregoner

I like Edey and think he could be a good pro. But I don’t think he fits the Heat system. They like switchable bigs that can guard the perimeter. Unless Spo completely re-imagines the defense, the Heat are not going to draft Edey. I expect they’ll draft a guard that can handle the basketball and defend.

SunManFromDogBone

Maybe what has been done in the past “small ball” will not work in the future. Maybe the “Heat System” has to evolve to keep pace with the rest of the NBA. If he is surrounded by four athletic players, he can be effective. His rebounding, interior defense and inside scoring would be a huge help. If he can devekop a half-ass 3 point shot, even better. There are other more athletic centers in the draft. However, he is best suited to go up against the NBA’s monsters.

SunManFromDogBone

*develop

heat for life

bam is not a center 6 9 just not big enough ask ad and joker .if bam was 7 feet tall we might have 2 more rings.for them to continue to play him at the 5 is a major mistake and it must be corrected.ty ud for mentioning that sunman and hhhers are listening and hopefully pat is to

Big_guy305

Heat system isn’t only just switchable bigs that can guard the perimeter. You forget who the coach of team is ? Spo loves experimenting, and can always re-imagine a defense based on the players on the team, that’s one of his abilities. Think about the past bigs we’ve had Whiteside, myers, ko, babbitt, dedmon, yurt, Pittman, Joel, even love, and Bryant. None of them was ever known as a switchable big on the perimeter, but we still made it work, and was almost always top 10- 12 in defense at least. If we draft a guard first round that would be a mistake. We have to draft a big whether edey or someone else. Unless we get one in free agency. Either way we need one to protect the paint to let bam roam free and guard the perimeter. That same system works for the timberwolves who have the 1 D. Kat isn’t half the defender that bam is, and gobert isn’t even switchable, but yet he got 4 DPOY’s. We need a big body to compete against wolves,nuggets, cavs,Boston, knicks, etc. Small ball is dead, and you can’t win a championship like that anymore unless you got steph curry. Also win curry championships they almost always had big body defensive minded rebounder ( bogut, Zaza, west, David Lee, looney). Point is we need a Big to help out bam, if bam continues getting better with his 3 ball, it workout for the better. The positives outweigh the negatives. I’m tired of being bottom of the league in blocks, we need to be at least be top half of the league in rebounds, and 2nd chance points will help boost our offense by at least 2 – 4 points.

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HHHFAN4Life

If we draft a guard it would be a mistake? Same thinking is the reason why Maxey and Devin booker aren’t in Mia. Give me Devin Carter (is gonna be the best player from this class a couple of years from now) led his team in ppg steals assist and rebounds. That tells me he did everything for that providence team and with a winning record

Big_guy305

I did say unless we get a big in free agency, then I wouldn’t mind getting a guard like devin Carter he gonna be a 2 way beast pg. Also for that draft with booker he was my top option along with oubre over bustice. Kentucky turns out good guards, and it’s Riley Alma mater.. so that’s on him. Also for that Maxey draft, even if we got him, do you think Riley would of held on to him? That same draft class he picked up precious and traded him away in 1 year. Our top weakness is a C/pf to pair with bam, but like I said i wouldn’t mind it if we get Carter, if the plan for C/pf is either trade for one or get one in free agency.

vagibugi

Nope. Hassan was a sprinter in comparison to this guy.

SunManFromDogBone

After watching the playoffs, it’s easy to see what Miami is missing. The team needs a 7′ starter and a top 20 scorer. Miami does not have a scorer in the top 40 this year. There are a few players on the list Miami could definitely use. https://www.espn.com/nba/seasonleaders/_/league/nba/sort/avgPoints

heat for life

every team but minn phily bost okc lal and denver could use that.so we are in competition with about 26 teams sunman u and pat get it done

ManilaHeat

lol knee-jerk. again.

no sweep for knicks

Reality Czech

Lol

ManilaHeat

And from the looks of it no sweep for Wolves also…30pt lead for Nuggets

heat for life

dont understand how murray didnt get suspended,thowing stuff on ct wow

heat for life

can we do a gm trade pat for ny gm,dante and hart wow what ballers,ty n dunc oh well

oregoner

you’re like a spoiled little kid who doesn’t know how good you’ve got it.

Big_guy305

I need to get me a panthers jersey, we up 2 -0 hope we finish strong.

heat for life

2 1

Big_guy305

I meant the score of the game, but they blew them out.

Big_guy305

Let me ask yall a question, if we still have Jimmy on the team, and wasn’t able to get Mitchell or Murray, would any of you consider getting Ingram, who would be cheaper to get then the other 2? If All it might take is herro and a first. I’m asking for a friend

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SunManFromDogBone

How about Herro and Butler for Ingram and McCollum plus Duncan and 2nd for Stewart?
Rozier, McCollum, Ingram, Bam, Stewart (or visa versa/interchangeable).

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Big_guy305

I might do that if it’s like plan c or d, would cj be an expiring contract next season?

SunManFromDogBone

No. Ingram yes. Comparable stats to Herro.

Big_guy305

Definitely interesting, let’s see what kinda magic Riley has under his slickback hair.

heat for life

not all about stats, tipped passes 5050 balls off rebounds josh hart type plays these are winning plays count as much as points cause they lead to points or prevent them no more non athletic no d players no more tired of them ,i want guys with chiseld anthony edwards type bodys that work out with big .get me some ballers patrick and sunman need about 5

Reality Czech

That is a viable roster.

heat for life

ingam would be a nice addition what are the chances of thAT happening.id say less than 1%

Big_guy305

Here is how I see it. Plan A Is get Mitchell, if we can’t get him, then plan B Is get Murray, if we can’t get him, then plan C is try to get Ingram. You see where I’m going? All that matters is we always have a chance with the godfather, so have faith.

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oregoner

I agree that Mitchell is probably plan A.

After that, I don’t necessarily think Ingram or Murray are any higher lower on the list than KD, Dame, Paul George, or whoever else might be avaiable.

But based on the past couple offseasons, I would guess the Heat are going after Mitchell in June

Reality Czech

I like Ingram but he has missed 25 games a season. Murray is more reliable. I think KD depends on the asking price. I just don’t see Lillard or George, who said he’s not accepting anything less than the max and he’s definitely not worth it.

HHHFAN4Life

Agreed Ingram has missed games also his blood clot problem could creep back up Ala Bosh, much rather have the more durable Murray

oregoner

Yeah, I think everyone after Mitchell is an imperfect fit.

But when I look at the Heat, they have Bam, who is a perfect second best player. And depending on who they trade, they either have Jimmy Butler, an excellent third best player, or a solid young collection of two-way role players.

They just need a lead scorer on offense.

Over the past two offseasons, Riley has gone after KD, Mitchell, and Dame. The other two are older and more expensive, while Mitchell is entering his prime and has 1 year left on his contract. So he theoretically has the leverage to get to where he wants to go.

Aside from that, RIley said he wants a ‘needle mover’, and there aren’t very many of those in the league. I think Murray is a great player, but I don’t think he’s good enough for Riley to go all-in, and I don’t think Riley is trying to make a half-in trade

heat for life

ingrams got that skinny all legs body.porzingis jr no thanks

heat for life

rileys the god father 4 sure, but it helped to have a god son named dwade.

oregoner

Ingram is definitely being shopped. I’d say that if the Heat REALLY wanted Ingram, the chances of getting him are 100%. It’s just a matter of how bad the Heat want him, and what they are willing to give up

oregoner

I like Ingram. Maybe more than Murray.

Big_guy305

I like Ingram too, but healthwise Murray is more reliable, that’s why I put him ahead.

oregoner

yes, Murray is also a better defender. But I just want the Heat to get a dude that can give you 30 a night.

Big_guy305

I feel you, thats why i want Mitchell, but i would be good with any of those 3.

Iknowtoomuch

Are you kidding me? In answering the question…for him – yes. It started off with all the silly hair distractions then disinterest in the regular season then recent stupid end season rant on top of his unavailability. What’s his deal with the Knicks & Josh Hart? Knicks have played consistently great as has Hart. They finished 2nd seed for a reason. This little current tap dance with Pat is setting up for a separation at some point. It would be Jimmy’s last chance for a max payday. Do hope he somehow wakes up and realizes his life & legacy in Miami is valued more than money.

heat for life

he loves miami pat knows hes his best player even wth the father time disease.he still moves the needle.bams a complimentary player.jimmys a dawg terrys a miniature dawg

SunManFromDogBone

If your best player is your oldest player (whose availability and productivity is declining) and you go “all in” to build a team around him and that fails…what do you have left? NAFT!

HHHFAN4Life

And to your statement. I can’t for the life of me understand how they can watch teams like Minnesota, Dallas, okc all those young teams still in the playoffs and in their heads say let’s continue to look at Jimmy butler and say let’s bring him back. He’s not better than shai, Luka, ant and tbh is he better than those teams 2nd best players? I guess cause Mia not in the playoffs they not watching. But it’s sad really, everybody knows a team takes on the identity of its best player (for the 1 millionth time) Jimmy is a part time injury prone player and next year the Mia heat will be a play in 2000 different line up team as long as Jimmy is here it’s gonna be like that no matter who you add to him and bam.

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Reality Czech

PRECISELY!! Now, having said that, and knowing Riley, he may very well bring Butler back. But if the team has a similar season like this one, you can bank on who’s going to be bitching and moaning the most around here. I hope they do well no matter what they do, but I think going younger now would be the best course of action for the immediate future of the team. And HHHFAN makes more good sense below.

Reality Czech

Well now actually ⬆️

heat for life

what do lakers have after brons done gsw has after steph.the time to have improved the team was about 4 years ago for jim.now its prob to late since he has father time.ok trade him then what.do u do totally tank or rebuild ,your not in retooling mode.pat needed to go all in on donovan few years ago

SunManFromDogBone

Pat used the term “retool” in his exit interview.

SunManFromDogBone

The deal is Thibs. Great defensive coach who can get the most out of his players. The problem is he burns them out. OG, Hart, Brunson and DiVincenzo are all playing 42-48 minutes per game. Bench is playing less than 40 total minutes. By ECFs or Finals (if they get there) they are going to be walking wounded and exhausted.

oregoner

i think Jimmy looked good on offense this year, but his defense has clearly declined. His defense looked good in the play-in game, but the fact that it was such an outlier really highlighted that he hasn’t looked like that in years

SunManFromDogBone

His offense suffered inside. I think he had more shots blocked this year than all years since he arrived. No more bounce. His “get up and go got up and went.”

oregoner

lol. Nice Aerosmith reference.

I think what he lost in the paint he made up for in his 3-point shot. I think that’s probably a natural progression for an older player.

But I remember when he first got here, this team used to put the clamps on the perimeter, pressure ballhandlers into turnovers, and get into passing lanes for easy buckets. Last year during the playoffs they lead the league in pass deflections by a wide margin.

Jimmy just wasn’t doing that stuff this year. And he’s the leader of this team. When he’s doing that, it’s contagious. And when he’s missing games or playing at half speed until the playoffs, that is contagious too.

heat for life

budenholzer up for another job what a joke.wheres the good young coaches

Big_guy305

Hornets got a nice young coach Charles Lee, but other then that these contending teams want a retread with championship experience.

SunManFromDogBone

Boy did Detroit F*** Up. Monty got big ass contract and doesn’t know his azz from a hole in the ground.

oregoner

as a fan of the Portland Trailblazers, I would love to have Detroit’s roster and coach right now.

heat for life

detroit gm for u one day?

SunManFromDogBone

With your marketing help, I’m getting more offers than I know what to do with. Am seriously considering a GM position with the up-and-coming Saskatchewan Sasquatches of the Canadian League.

SunManFromDogBone

Question: Do you trade an older player when his productivity starts to drop while his value is still high -OR- do you keep him, pay him a buttload of money and retool around him knowing his productivity and availability will decrease every year until he retires?

oregoner

Pat Riley has made it pretty clear that he’s not going to give Jimmy the extension. But he also made it clear he doesn’t want to trade Jimmy. A lot of people are trying to read between the lines, but Pat tends to be pretty honest in these things. I think as long as Jimmy doesn’t demand a trade, Pat will try to trade the other guys and go after a star. Probably Donovan Mitchell. But I guess we’ll see.

SunManFromDogBone

He doesn’t have the assets for Mitchell, other than Jimmy.

heat for life

belicheat always did the first.in the heat situation do the second other players not good enough.and u dont know who u can get in off season.if u trade jimmy id rather go tank mode like minn okc orlando.medicority suks ask the dolphins

heat for life

congrats to tim hardaway jr was a diff maker in this game.kyrie was awful.pj a future heater lol was fanatastic

heat for life

chets a nice player jjj ??? wemby might be the best player in nba soon popacheat belicheat

heat for life

in the nba young teams like okc have to pay their dues .u just dont arrive on the scene and win it all.

SunManFromDogBone

It ain’t over til the fat lady sings.

heat for life

the addition of pj gafford airplane and lively enable kyrie and luka to survive on d.w/o gafford or pj okc would win .now i like dallas

heat for life

the loss of terry was almost as big as jims injury he was playing at such a high level dam boston you got lucky this year.hope cleve or ny beat u.

heat for life

sga and terry have similar games.

SunManFromDogBone

Not even close. SFA is all NBA. Terry is a good combo guard.

Reality Czech

Correct. I’m a Rozier fan, but sga is on a whole different level.

heat for life

i meant their style of play of course sga on another level

heat for life

hope pats watching pj playing tonight

SunManFromDogBone

PJ 12.9/5.6 and 32% 3 point shooter. Like Jaquez at $16.8M vs. 3.5. PJ ain’t gonna move the needle.

Reality Czech

Thank you. He had a great game tonight, but it was out of his norm.

heat for life

hes in there for d rebounding dirty stuff,but can score believe he had 35 against us last year,w/o him and gafford dallas on vacation.again its not just about #s.defense grit size athleticism dont show up on espn.com #s.u cant win with 5 lukas or 5 kyries.pj wash type players are must for winning teams.

heat for life

thanks for your great d dunc and ty over the years u bums get the f out of here .had to get that off my chest after watching these playoff teams playing.

SunManFromDogBone

Take Jimmy, Martin and Bryant with you and get us a SG (Mitchell) and a PF/C (Collins, Stewart, Claxton…somebody).

heat for life

who the f is gonna want martin and bryant maybe a g league contender.if mitchell leaves cleve there not gonna want jimmy total rebuild(3-5 year process).jim will be playing in brazil by then

Reality Czech

Some people forget that Riley and the Heat found ways to unload untradable assets like Danny Granger, Justin Hamilton, Jones, Waiters, Whiteside, and Lowry, amongst others.

Reality Czech

*Johnson, not Jones.

heat for life

luka great great player but his d is borderline dunc ty ish

SunManFromDogBone
heat for life

luka gets blown by time after time mr lively mr gafford pj have his back .same like ty ndunc for bam.watch the games gm.luka suks defensively.jrue and caruso 2 of the best

ZechMerquise

The issue is not just about jimmy, its how the team is constructed. We severely lack offensive firepower. And also most teams in the east got upgrades, while we stayed as we were, only adding Rozier.

heat for life

jim bam terrys a good start.after that not much else.jjj jovic hh cain all projects alondais williams looks like he can ball..pat has to be better this off season than last bunch.need at least 5 new rotational players.possibly an all star we hope

ZechMerquise

If in worst case that we dont land any whale, to be honest i like our starting 5 of rozier, jimmy, duncan, love, and bam. I think that lineup is capable enough to get us by, at least 5th seed, if they can stay healthy.

heat for life

hold on duncan love.no way .love is a backup like him that way .dunc is not a starter no athleticism .career shooting3s % under 40.are u watching these athletes fighting for50 50 balls offensive febounding your gonna throw love and dunc out there no way zech aka zach karp???

heat for life

jimmys coming back likes miami alot. pat knows he needs him to jimmy says hes brazilian wants to play a year in brazil wtf.we can all take a deep breath jims gonna be back.get the man some ballers sunman and pat

Big_guy305

Even if we don’t get a whale, we can make smaller moves that add up to a mini whale. Honestly we can do better than that starting lineup. We can sign kcp in free agency to be our 2 way sg, or let jrich or jaquez be the 2. Then trade herro for collins or beef stew, or get valciunas in free agency. We can potentially have a lineup of Terry, kcp,jimmy,collins, bam or Terry, jaquez/jrich, butler,bam, valciunas. Those lineups would give us size,rebounding, and more 2 way versatility.

heat for life

love and dunc lol in the 1960s a fine lineup.i just dreamed of dunc getting a 50 50rebound from josh hart.

heat for life

lack size lack athleticism also

heat for life

uggh hubie brown hes been doing games for way way to long ,father time is undefeated hubie

heat for life

land not getting swept.as a heat fan def rooting for a boston sweep.tatum brown always have stinker games in playoffs.jimmy very rarely,

heat for life

a karis levert type player would be nice on current squad, void of one of them except for jim.boston getting killed.i told boston fans on their hhh if we had jim and terry we win

heat for life

boy only if pat had had better players to offer for donovan .jeez him and bam are bff think he would have preferred lebrons 2nd team to his first team

Big_guy305

We have enough to offer the cavs because Mitchell has leverage over them. If the cavs don’t make it pass the 2nd round this year, they won’t ever do it. Which will probably make him wanna walk, so cavs will have to try to get something for him, and miami is one of his preferred destinations.

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heat for life

i was talking about utah big

heat for life

dont think he wants to stay in land who would sht city

Big_guy305

Especially if he buddies with bam.

heat for life

think he wanted to come to miami but our assets again not good enough for their gm

ManilaHeat

Eye test, which at times misleading, looks like there’s a decline. At least for me. So thank you HHH for doing this stats filled article regarding Jimmy. Clearly there’s still skill but can’t ignore the fact father time is knocking. I’ve said before I still like Butler on a Heat jersey regardless of a sad ending this season. And from the looks of it Pat will still retain old man Jimmy. The risk is great and the easy path is to let go and be practical but we also dnt know what will transpire if Butler walks. The personnel (or picks) we can get from him are also risky. Actually everything is. Riles did so many risks but I’d say his batting % is good to excellent with the success the Heat had in the last 4-5 years. So like ive been saying trust the godfather.

And Go Heat!!

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vagibugi

Exactly, he failed the eye test.
Much less living in the paint, rarely closing games well, more 3p shooting.
Its a decline for sure, still a good player, even an all star, but no playoff Jimmy any more.
Its just a question of price.
There are several players in the same category (Harden, PG, Kawhi, Thompson, Green…) all vets, probably not worth money and contracts they want.

Reality Czech

Butler did not have what anyone could call a bad season. That isn’t what the idea of possibly trading him is about. It’s more about the money, availability, and regular season effort. I was pretty shocked at how well he shot 3s this season. At first, I thought it was a fluke, but he proved over time that he really added that to his overall game. And nice to see that HHH uses statistical data from sources like Cleaning The Glass and Five Thirty Eight. The more sources people use, the better an accurate evaluation can be made. Not just in sports, but in business, the stock market, even the news.

Sundayafternoons

The last few years my preseason prediction has been a 50/40/90 season our of Jimmy, cuz he always shoots the three better in the playoffs.
Him missing that this year on free throws hurts.

I’m not ready yet for off-season shenanigans and ultimatums. All the injuries still hurt too much, especially Duncan’s.

Reality Czech

Still a heck of a season, stat wise, for him. Beat his career 3p% average by more than 8 points! As far as the offseason stuff goes, I admit I like it even though I have no idea whatsoever what’s going to happen. In past years, we often knew what our core was and who was definitely staying. Not his year. Beyond Bam, I’m not 100% sure who is staying or going. Butler, Herro, Duncan, Jovic, Jaquez, even Rozier. I believe 3-4 of those will remain, but I’m curious and excited to see how it plays out. We should have a clearer picture in about 7 weeks. And all injuries, with the exception of Richardson, should disappear sooner rather than later.

heat for life

if youve been watching the d especially okc and minn has played u cant bring back dunc or ty.problem is whos gonna want them and what we can get for ty

SunManFromDogBone

Utah will take Herro for Collins in a heartbeat.

heat for life

a ss doesnt have bad seasons.otherwise not a ss

SunManFromDogBone

A ss isn’t injured half the time either…like Zion, Leonard, George, Lamelo, Melo, Embiid, etc. Good when they are available and teams suck when they aren’t. Miami actually had better winning percentage without Jimmy than with him…so there’s that.

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