It is ‘highly unlikely’ that Miami will be able to afford to re-sign Caleb Martin this summer

Caleb Martin, one of the Heat’s best role players, is expected to become a free agent this summer.

The Miami Heat have an offseason filled with uncertainty on the horizon. There are a plethora of routes the Heat front office can take here. There are questions regarding the future of Jimmy Butler, Tyler Herro and several other rotation pieces that could be expendable. One of those questions is indeed Caleb Martin.

Both Martin and Haywood Highsmith are two role players that are expected to hit free agency. Similar to the situations with Gabe Vincent and Max Strus a year ago, the Heat may not be able to afford bringing them back.

More so Martin, who surely should be getting more attention on the market than Highsmith at this time. Martin was a key piece to Miami’s playoff runs in 2022 and 2023, and even one of the team’s top players throughout the Eastern Conference finals a year ago against the Boston Celtics. He averaged 19.3 points, 6.4 rebounds and 1.7 assists on 59.7% shooting in that series.

Barry Jackson, Heat insider, reported that because of the team’s limited cap space after the Terry Rozier trade, bringing back Martin is “highly unlikely.”

Surely there is always a possibility that a player like Martin could come back on a good price or even just opt back into his current $7.1 million player option. Perhaps he could wait it out for a significant offseason splash that increases the Heat’s championship odds that could entice him to do so.

Martin averaged 10.0 points, 4.4 rebounds, 2.2 assists and 0.7 steals in 64 games played this regular season. He shot 43.1% from the field and 34.9% from 3-point range; two statistical categories that have gradually decreased in each of his three seasons here.

His intensity on the defense end on the perimeter and ability to rise in the playoffs has made Martin a true x-factor.

But unless Martin is willing to take a significant discount, his South Beach tenure could be over soon. Yet another true undrafted success story as a player that excelled in the Heat’s system, but due for a pay day.

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SunManFromDogBone

In latest ESPN 2024 NBA Mock Draft, Zach Edey goes #9 to Memphis. Heat draft USC PG Collier at #15.

https://www.si.com/nba/suns/analysis/nba-mock-draft-zach-edey-goes-early

SunManFromDogBone

I think it will be huge mistake if Miami does move Bam to power forward and does not select a center to start next to him, throught the draft, through trade or free agency.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/sportsgrid-s-nba-mock-draft-2-0-where-does-atlanta-turn/ss-BB1mzKHK?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=3aa5a708832540dbb5dcdefd462034c0&ei=33#image=30

SunManFromDogBone

TRADE IDEA

Cleveland Receives:

  • Dillon Brooks
  • Jock Landale
  • No. 3 Overall Pick
  • 2 Future Picks (Houston has a ton to offer)

Houston Receives:

  • Jimmy Butler

Miami Receives:

  • Donovan Mitchell
  • Steven Adams
Reality Czech

Saw that on auch. Looks reeeaaaal good to me!

Big_guy305

I would do that trade in a heartbeat.

HHHFAN4Life

Yup

Sundayafternoons

The more this postseason unfolds, (and depending on how the off-season goes), I feel more and more a sense of a missed opportunity.

Depending on a lot, it could rise above lebron’s 2011 meltdown against the Mavericks–at least those teams went on to the summit.

Not saying I haven’t been delighted by this era–but injuries and a missed 3 may be all that’s separating us from a championship or two or even three (because Jimmy was clearly hampered last year).

Off the top of my head the 7 seconds or less Suns who got tagged by some b.s. suspensions; the last Timmy led Spurs squad that ran into the Clippers in round two; the first Jordan-retirement Bulls; the Warriors squad that lost KD to injury (and then Klay right?).

We’re not quite in that territory but we’re in the general conversation of what-ifs.

heat for life

maybe in the east.dont think with healthy jim and terry could beat any of western teams maybe okc

heat for life

murrays elbow hurt .boy injuries just dont stop,adam the fkn seasons too long

ManilaHeat

Fitting game 7 for Nuggets-Wolves chess match. But blowout loss to the tune of 30+ deficit this gm6 is so not Denver but it happens. Great game for Wolves

heat for life

game 7 like denver.cant see them losing.hope they do though

heat for life

gobert is good just cause hes big .if he was bams height wouldnt even be in the nba

SunManFromDogBone

If he was Kevin Hart size he could do commercials.

oregoner

if my aunt had nuts she would be my uncle

SunManFromDogBone

If she had nuts and was living in your house she would be your Uncle Daddy.

heat for life

jimmy butlers tall he does commercials

heat for life

i would say edey could be at least as good as gobert.gobert has elite size

SunManFromDogBone

Yup. I agree.

heat for life

20 0 run against denver .wow

SunManFromDogBone

Any thoughts?

Hawks acquire: Tyler Herro, 2029 lottery-protected first-round pick
Heat acquire: Dejounte Murray

Cavs acquire: Tyler Herro, Nikola Jovic, 2029 first-round pick, 2031 first-round pick
Heat acquire: Donovan Mitchell

Cavs acquire: Jimmy Butler
Jazz acquires: Tyler Herro
Heat acquires: Donovan Mitchell, George Niang, John Collins

One other thought regarding the 2024 draft. Either way, a center is needed badly.

If Miami plans to retain and extend Butler, it makes sense to draft Zach Edey. His size and pace are more compatible with the Heat’s slow down/half court game in the Jimmy Butler era.
If Miami plans to evolve into a faster paced/run and gun style offense, it makes sense to go after a thinner, faster more mobile center.

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heat for life

whatever the heat do they have to come back next year with taller faster and stronger players

SunManFromDogBone

If they draft Edey and he is good enough to start and Jovic comes back stronger with more confidence and they trade Butler for Mitchell, they would have a very tall front court and a very good backcourt.

heat for life

are there any players in the nba youd take over joker and luka,me say no.

oregoner

Maybe Ant. Giannis. Wemby. It’s a short list.

ManilaHeat

Regarding the Mitchell situation, was there a big name player who actually walked away and wasn’t signed and traded? James comes to mind but that was a decade ago.

oregoner

Jimmy Butler

ManilaHeat

After Bulls? Or Minny? Thanks

oregoner

Jimmy Butler to the Heat!

But this sounds fun. Let’s do a Jimmy Butler history:

Drafted by the Rose/Noah Bulls (30th), Maxed out getting beat by the Heatles in the second round.

Traded to the Wolves because the Bulls want to pay him a max contract. Asked Wolves for a trade, then the infamous practice happened. Rumored to the Heat, ended up on the Process Sixers on an expiring contract.

Plays for the Peak Process Sixers with Embiid, Simmons, and Harris. Eliminated by Kawhai in the second round on a legendary shot.

Now this is the important part. When his contract expires, he decides he’s sick of playing for sad sack franchises and wants to play for the Heat, even through they’re mediocre with no draft picks and no cap space. The Heat somehow trade Whiteside and J-Rich for literally nothing so they can sign Butler. They win the East twice and make game-7 of the ECF once.

So yeah, the last time I can remember a big time free agent walking away from his team to sign somewhere else, it was Jimmy Butler to the Heat. Lead to 5 pretty good seasons by Heat standards. Or the 5 best years of Jimmy Butler’s life, depending on how you want to look at it

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Reality Czech

The LeBron example is a good one. He actually had a contract that allowed him to opt out with TWO years remaining, whereas on their current contracts, Mitchell and Butler would have the opt out option when each has 1 year remaining.
Respectfully, Butler coming to Miami from Philadelphia was a different situation. There was no opt out situation. His contract expired at the end of that season, making him an unrestricted free agent. Due to cap issues, the Heat could not sign him directly, so they arranged a sign and trade to bring him in while sending Whiteside and Richardson out.

SunManFromDogBone
oregoner

The biggest factor is that Donovan is on an expiring contract, so he has more leverage than a lot of other potential trade targets. If he signs the extension with Cleveland, the situation changes. But otherwise, he’s one year away from calling his shot, so everyone needs to be careful trading for him

heat for life

when u can get a donovan mitchell whos still in his prime.but father time not so far away u snap at the chance to get him.im giving up any 3 players not named jimmy bam or terry.a full healthy year of terry is gonna be a major plus

oregoner

oh yeah, I’m not worried about the Heat trading for him. I’m saying a team like New Orleans or OKC is taking a big risk if they trade for war chest of picks for him, because he could walk after a year.
If I’m the Heat, I trade everyone but Bam for Mitchell, sign him to a long term extension, and then you start building around Don & Bam.

SunManFromDogBone

Exactly the same situation as Butler.

oregoner

yep. I expect Jimmy doesn’t have as much trade value as we think, unless he’s going to the Knicks or Lakers, who don’t have much to offer

oregoner

Let the Donovan Mitchell sweepstakes begin!

heat for life

unless jim and bam are part of a deal hes not coming here,

oregoner

thanks for your prediction nostradumbass

heat for life

i wish he was mr trailblazer fan

oregoner

you should try being a fan of the Blazers and Heat. You’ll never complain about Pat Riley again

heat for life

i can only be a fan of one team all miami teams.i just think last few years pat has swung and missed to much

oregoner

well in that case you should compare Riley to every Miami team, college and pro combined, and see who had more success in the past 25 years, past 15 years, and past 5 years. Heat were in the Finals less than a year ago. When was the last time the Marlins or Dolphins were even close to the Championship game?

heat for life

hell yes but hes failed last year or two look at dallas and ny

oregoner

last year he eliminated NY on the way to the NBA finals.

heat for life

gafford pj og donte hart hes not been good enough

Reality Czech

In 2017, the Mavs were 33-49. 2018, 24-58, 2019, 33-49. And then they got Doncic (and Brunson too actually!). So, having really bad seasons will get you high quality players. The Heat usually don’t have seasons like that.
The Knicks haven’t gotten past the second round in 24 years! 24 YEARS!!
But some people think they are better franchises? With better management? You said something recently that hit the bullseye. Something like, some people are like spoiled little kids who pout and stamp their feet when they don’t get everything they want.

oregoner

yeah, i think some people are more focused on winning the offseason narrative than they are on winning postseason games

ManilaHeat

Hmmm…I think a better name would be hateforlife 😅😜
Riles this is all ur fault for spoling us!

heat for life

can u at least change your name to heat fan from oregoner please.

oregoner

this is my screen name across all platforms. and I live in Oregon. For what it’s worth, back in the early days of HHH, my screen name was ‘odom butler wade’, in honor of the 2003 team

heat for life

how bout butler adebayo mitchell this is a heat forum oreogner just sounds bad here.

oregoner

meh. the people here know who i am. i feel no need to bend my knee to satisfy everyone. and i’m a proud portlander. even if the blazers stink, living in portland is awesome.

heat for life

justkidding around as long as u like the heat before the blazers lol

Reality Czech

Everyone here is entitled to choose whatever handle they want to, within the parameters set by the blog. No one here has any right to suggest you change it. There is nothing wrong with your handle, so carry on. 😉

SunManFromDogBone

Hey nobody complains about my name. WTF? What am I chopped liver?

Reality Czech

Well, yes. I actually was going to suggest you change it to ChoppedLiverFromDogBone.

oregoner

i think we should all change our screen names to ‘we love heat for life’

Reality Czech

Oh boy 🙄

heat for life

everybody here loves heat for life .blazers not as much

SunManFromDogBone

Has a nice ring to it. But it is already taken by some dude from Poughkeepsie.

heat for life

florida is the sunshine state

HHHFAN4Life

I’d trade jimmy for Mitchell don’t care about past accomplishments Jimmy glazers so don’t bring them up. And tbh I’d rather trade Jimmy than that 15th pick Mia has rn

heat for life

once u trade jimmy unless its for mitchell the heat are alot worse

Big_guy305

Only way I see that happening is if miami does a 3 or 4 team trade with one of his preferred destinations because Jimmy doesn’t want to go to cavs. He would either wanna go to a big market team like( Philly,knicks, clippers) or maybe a team like okc that is missing one piece to get over the hump. Lastly maybe a team in his home state of Texas like Houston, or mavs.

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HHHFAN4Life

So when it’s other players and teams Ala Portland don’t have to-send said player to where they want to but the heat gotta follow some type of code? Nah send him where you get the best return doesn’t matter where he wants to go, so loyal to a player you didn’t draft and he has no real ties to anyone in the front office/coaching staff is crazy to me.

SunManFromDogBone

No team is going to trade for Butler or Mitchell if they don’t want to be there. Clevelan? Are you kidding me? They can opt out in 2025-2026 and go rogue (free agent) and that team’s GM will get fired and the team will be stuck in rebuild mode for years. Butler and Mitchell may not get #1 preference team but they will get a team on their short list (top 3-5 or so).

Reality Czech

And that’s exactly what happened with Lillard.

HHHFAN4Life

Point totally went over his head, as I have and you have stated it just happened with lillard

SunManFromDogBone

The contract Lillard signed with Portland runs through 2026-2027 and has a player option in the final season, worth a combined $216 million. Butler and Mitchell have much more leverage than Dame since they can opt out after one more season and leave Miami and Cleveland with nothing to show for it.

Note: Teams with most draft picks to offer in 2-3-4 team trades for Butler or Mitchell.

1 San Antonio Spurs 27 draft picks (15 first round, 12 second round)

2 Oklahoma City Thunder 22 draft picks (13 first round, 9 second round)

3 Washington Wizards 20 draft picks (8 first round, 12 second round)

4 Orlando Magic 16 draft picks (7 first round, 9 second round)

5 New York Knicks 15 draft picks (9 first round, 6 second round)

Note:
Miami has 8 picks (6 first round, 2 second)
Cleveland has 9 picks (2 first round and 7 second)

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Reality Czech

In February, when I suggested a good trading partner for Butler would be OKC, someone tried to tell me they weren’t a true contender. But I believe if you put Dort or Joe on the bench and replace them with Butler, they’d at least get past Dallas.

SunManFromDogBone

It wasn’t me. I could see what was coming in OKC with all that young talent, draft assets, coaching and management.

Another team which may be on a trajectory similar to OKC’s is Houston.

OKC last 3 seasons: 24-58, 40-42, 57-25
Houston last 3 season: 20-62, 22-60, 41-41

The Rockets were in the running for the playoffs this year and should make the Play-in or Playoffs next year. One good trade (Butler) might make a huge difference.

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Reality Czech

True, and it definitely wasn’t you.

SunManFromDogBone

Thangya vera mush.

Big_guy305

Thanks for the context explaining the different situations between Jimmy, Mitchell, and Lillard. Also I didn’t know we had that many draft picks , pat Riley been holding out on us. Now i feel like it’s a higher possibility that we can get Mitchell, or even murray.

SunManFromDogBone

Thangya vera mush 2.

Big_guy305

Dame set himself up for that because miami was the only team he wanted after eliminating the other choices, but he still gets to compete for a championship with Giannis. Also you gotta look at it the other way when AD was still on pelicans, he wanted to get traded to lakers and got his wish, and didn’t even do anything for that team. Like if it was that situation and all Jimmy was doing is Stat padding and not doing anything of note in the playoffs. Or even if jimmy acted like harden I wouldn’t care wherever we sent him, if the package is good. It’s crazy that harden always went to any team he wanted, while being a playoff choke artist. But Jimmy took us 3 ecf and 2 finals, could’ve been 3, if Jimmy made the last shot in one of them. I’m not saying you gotta have a code, but to pat Riley he might be an exception. I’m not saying your wrong or right, but anything can happen with the godfather in charge. Furthermore 3 or 4 of the 6 teams I’ve mentioned can give us a good package of picks, and young ascending players. Okc, Houston, knicks, and maybe mavs.

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Reality Czech

The team had to win game 2 of the play-in 2 years in a row just to barely make the 8th seed, and someone worries we’ll be worse without Butler? With the right moves, I don’t think we’ll be worse. And we’d be younger.

oregoner

yeah, i said it at after the heat lost to Philly and Indy in the last week of the season. This is a play-in team with or without Jimmy Butler. I’m not saying the Heat should definitely trade him, but I certainly wouldn’t be sad to see them go a different direction this offseason

ManilaHeat

Is anyone here below 30yrs old? I think we need a set of young blood in HHH lol

SunManFromDogBone

I’m 101 but still young at heart. Does that count?

Big_guy305

No sir because I’m 31 lol

SunManFromDogBone

This year, the team’s winning percentage was worse with Butler than without him.

HHHFAN4Life

They have barely been a .500 team these last 2 years in the reg season because their leader/best player does not care or give even effort in the reg season. As long as Jimmy Butler is on this roster they will do the same thing they have done the last 2 seasons in the reg season be slightly above average no matter who they “wanna build around Jimmy and bam”

Whomever that is will get here see how Jimmy plays and follow his lead just watch

SunManFromDogBone

I did a composite description of Zach Edey’s fit with NBA teams.

Edey ended his workout shooting 90% on his free throws, 60% on his mid-range pull up jumpers, and 56% in his shooting behind the arc. Edey isn’t working against a defender in his shooting drills but his form shows a player who, with reps and experience, will be able to stretch a defense from outside. His domination inside the paint will likely continue to translate to the NBA along with his ability to defend the paint. His overall day seemed to parallel that of noted potential top 10 pick Donovan Clingan out of UCONN and many draft experts seemed to hint the big man could have made his way into serious consideration into the lottery of this year’s draft.

For him to be successful, he needs to be beside a roaming shot blocking, perimeter oriented PF defender. If Edey is to go in the top 15, the fit would have to be really right. Good pairings for him therefore are Milwaukee (Giannis) Oklahoma City (Chet), Memphis (JJJ), San Antonio (Wembanyama) or Miami (Bam).

If Edey does go in the top 10, it would seem San Antonio with one of the game’s best coaches in Gregg Poppovich and last year’s #1 pick Victor Wembanyama in the eighth spot would make the most sense. If not, the Chicago Bulls at 11th and the Miami Heat at 15th seem like the best fits for Edey.

Reality Czech

What site/writer was this from? Nice.

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SunManFromDogBone

Various.

heat for life

pseudo gm what % u give the heat getting donovan

SunManFromDogBone

If trade involves Butler -OR- Herro+Jaquez+Jovic, plus pick(s) 50-50 chance. Otherwise, I give Miami 0-100 chance. There are too many other teams out there with assets (quality players + picks), who Cleveland would prefer trading with.

heat for life

to get mitchell would u give up ty jjj jovic.hell yes to that .the future is now.ill worry about future couple years down the line after i meet everybody on bisc blvd next year in july except sunman(lives out west) manila

SunManFromDogBone

Since you asked.I would “leave the gun and take the canoli.”

Translation: I would trade Butler for Mitchell, keep Jaquez and Jovic, trade Herro for John Collins, Kyle Kuzma, or Miles Bridges and draft Embey.

Starters: Rozier, Mitchell, (Jovic or Jaquez), Collins/Kuzma or Bridges, Bam
2nd Unit: JRich, Duncan, Jaquez or Jovic, Embey
Reserves/G Leaguers: Love, ORobinson, Wright, Williams, Cain, Swider

heat for life

sunman.com article was written by sunman our gm and should be heats gm also

SunManFromDogBone

Thank you Heat. Too late. I’m working on closing a long term deal with the Saskatchewan Sasquatches of the Canadian Basketball League. The weather sucks, but you can’t have everything.

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heat for life

jovic the best player in the league by a mile.(no play on words)how does he guard?maybe instincts ?edey totally outplayed the u conn center clingan in champ game 37pts to 11 man vs boy.he just shot right over him and everybody else he faced .gotta get him pat

SunManFromDogBone

Who is this Jovic person you speak of?

heat for life

barkley s predictions always wrong .guy doesnt like the heat f him,kennys better anyway,

heat for life

poor atlanta fans .

heat for life

wow a luka block dude is so big time

heat for life

luka better player than sga supporting cast dallas better.dallas really good team.hope they beat denver

vagibugi

rec for that. AL dough is not true.

heat for life

the heat had to rank last in second chance oppts /pts.

oregoner

just looked it up. Heat were 7th best in the league

heat for life

that is not true

heat for life

2nd chance pts miami had 5 per game nyk had 17

heat for life

lively is so lively gafford seems to be the backup,nice problem to have.2 long athletic wings pj djj.1 generational talent and 1 aging ss.i think there the only team that can beat denver

ManilaHeat

Welcome to the off-season Cavs! You fought hard too bad we’re both banged up. Maybe we can join forces? Heat get Mitchell, Cavs get Ty, Dunc, Jovic, pick/s…not enough?

heat for life

not enough .dont have enough to get him,if dan gilbert still owner dont think hes gonna give us anything maybe max strus

Big_guy305

I think it’s enough, unless lakers get into the action. But that should be enough because Mitchell has the leverage, they Wanna get as much as they can ,since he probably gonna leave anyways.

heat for life

what teams would not want a donovan mitchell.donovn might want to play here like daME did but cleveland will do whats best for them.

Big_guy305

A lot of teams want him, but they probably don’t have the cap, or the right players for him to wanna go, but he has the leverage, and will only go to his preferred destinations. Which are miami,lakers, knicks, nets. He’s probably not staying cavs, not going to bucks, Boston, or pacers, or Orlando. He ain’t going to pelicans, warriors, Phoenix, or timberwolves, or the nuggets, or rockets, or mavs. The only teams I can see possibly going for in the west are okc and lakers. The only teams he would probably go to in the east are miami,knicks,nets. Big if on the pacers and Philly. Either he goes to one of his preferred destinations or he’ll just walk and they won’t get Nothing.

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heat for life

there gonna take the best offer big.hes under contract not a fa

ZechMerquise

If im not mistaken, think its not the same case as Dame. Donovan has player option for next season, so he can dictate where we wants to go. Dame was signed for like many years, so he cannot say where he will land.

To be honest i can see the Sixers as our main competitor for Donovan. Sixers has capspace, and has Embiid. But im not sure if donovan/maxey will work tho, idc

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heat for life

thats scary thought though embid maxey donovan.now thats a big 3.but cleveland gonna want decent players back zech

Big_guy305

Exactly! And sure they have cap space, but they have less assets then us. The only way they got chance at him, is if he goes to free agency, but I think they might go for pg3 instead.

Bout30man

Probably twenty five teams want him. And most have a lot more to offer. We have only a tiny chance of getting him.

Big_guy305

If doesn’t matter if 25 other teams want him, he has the leverage with his player option. so he can go to one of his preferred destinations, or he will go to free agency. Our chances are slightly better then tiny.

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heat for life

so if cleve trades wants to trade him to so and so team what can donovan do reject the trade?

Big_guy305

If it’s not a team he wants to go to, then he can decline his player option, and walk into free agency.

ZechMerquise

cavs bout to be eliminated…welcome to Heat, Donovan!

Reality Czech

Every mock draft so far shows Edey going from 18-25, so I think he’ll be there. However, if he isn’t, look at it this way: that would mean that one of the lottery players will drop down to us.

oregoner

It appears Edey has become the most popular prospect on HHH. If the Heat draft Edey after trading for Rozier, I’m going to start thinking someone on HHH has insider knowledge.

Reality Czech

I like him. If he does half of what he did at Purdue, he would be a big help. However, he’s not the only possible pick at 15. There are some good prospects that will be available.

oregoner

I still remember wishing the Heat would land a top-3 pick so they could draft Justise Winslow. I couldn’t believe how lucky the Heat were that he fell all the way to 10. Since then, I’ve given up trying to predict how college players will look in the pros

Big_guy305

I think could’ve of become a poor man’s draymond, but injuries killed his career sadly 😕

2qbn

Guac O.G.

Big_guy305

Hopefully the guac will be strong with our next draft pick 🙏

heat for life

missing bunny after bunny didnt help either.bustice couldnt play healthy or injured

Reality Czech

True. But that’s true of any player they take. Luck is as much a factor as analysis.

oregoner

lol. i believe there is definitely a skill in drafting. i just recognize the reality that i don’t posses it

SunManFromDogBone

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SunManFromDogBone

Zach Edey interview. Sharp dude. I like his attitude. Humble confidence. He can cover paint, rebound, screen and score. Bam can cover everything outside the paint. I hope Miami drafts him!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufePwe4MpjE

vagibugi

Cmon guys, this is insane, nobody needs big heavy center, not today. Take a look around the league. The fattest guy I could recall are Embiid and Jokic…

Reality Czech

He’s not fat, just big. He dominates the paint. He may not be very fast, but with Bam next to him, he doesn’t need to be.

heat for life

not sure who the real studs of draft are but he might be a top 5 pick.def best c

vagibugi

Heavy, and slow. Similar player is Zubac from LAC. Very skilled, but just too slow.
Luka tortured him for years, for example.

Skilled wing, or even skilled center will always have an advantage against such player.

I dont think Heat will pick that type of player.

heat for life

u want to keep bam as your center,theres no way in hell your beating denver .get mt. edey size matters.hes just so big but zero fat.his big ass head prob weighs 30 pounds.guys just big everywhere but no fat.this guy would tower over zubac jokic jovic but hes got offensive skills vagi,he stretches out his arms hes just about touching the rim.we have to come up with a nickname for him.when pat drafts him.im excited for this.

vagibugi

I m not sure about Bam, if he can play power forward.

It was always that Bam played with stretch center, like KO and Leonard. Still, those two were not the best defender. So, in past, there was always a 7 footer playing along Bam. Now, is 6.10 Jovič.

Big_guy305

Big guys are what dominate, what do jokic,Joel, and giannis have in common? They’re big!, sure edey might have slow feet speed, but spo could make it work. Gotta remember myers Leonard had slow feet too. But anyways if we get edey, put him in a diet program like dexter Pittman, and drop 20 to 30 pounds. What he lacks in perimeter defense, he will make up for with rim protection, 2nd chance points, and blocks. Footwork is there already. His floor for me is maybe Whiteside with a better offensive package. If hartenstein can get 17 rebounds, then well edey can get 20 rebounds.

vagibugi

What do jokic,Joel, and giannis have in common? They’re skilled.

And there is a reason, that Hassan is out of the league. And its not just his attitude.

Big_guy305

Fair points, that’s why he isn’t my first option, but he’s skilled in his own way with elite post dominance and rim protection, and carried Purdue with prolific scoring. Also say what you want about Whiteside, but he still played 10 seasons, he was just too much of malcontent, but I digress. Here are his combine measurables if you’re wondering about edey.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10121208-zach-edey-nba-combine-2024-measurements-analysis-and-impressions

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vagibugi

Yes, Hassan played a long time. And he became more mature toward the end of his career. Still, that didn’t keep him in the league. He just could stay on the court, because he wasn’t fit for todays NBA.

Sorry to say, but this boy doesnt have any future in the NBA. But he could be a star 20 years ago.

Big_guy305

In all fairness, I said his floor was Whiteside, so he could come in on limited minutes rookie year and give 7 and 7. His ceiling could be someone way better than it. Also to say he doesn’t have a future in nba is cap hyperbole, when you got players like gobert,valciunas,etc out there. Like I said he ain’t my first option, I already gave my top 3 options last article, but all I’m saying is don’t be so dismissive of his talent. But anyways let’s just agree to disagree because we’re all just armchair gm’s, so let’s see what Riley does.

heat for life

hassan wasnt 7 4 with skills.spo will find a way to use his giantism and minimize his so called lack of foot speed.7 4 my man not 7 6 10 6 9

vagibugi

What about Marjanovic. he is 7.4… .very skilled offensive player. The only thing he lack is speed. Here, we have another star. … oh wait, he sits… I cant recall, where, on the bench. I wonder why.

heat for life

marjanovic has no skills edey does

vagibugi

not true. Really good offensive player.

heat for life

comeon vagibugi all the playoff teams have a c around 7ft .even if he gets beat with that gigantic wingspan he’ll be blocking shots.did u follow mt. edey at purdue vagi,cant teach 7 4 bro

vagibugi

Yes, but not that type.

SunManFromDogBone

Normally, I would agree with you about his size and speed. However, what other team has a combo C/PF like Bam? He can make up for Edey’s shortcomings and allow Edey to capitalize on his strengths, which Miami sorely needs. He is a mature four year player like Jaquez who is “good to go” now. If they pass him up they will regret it for years. I see him as more of a Brook Lopez than a Whiteside.

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vagibugi

Brook evolved into stretch five. I dont see Edey doing that, at least not now.
If he could, this would be a game changer.

Bout30man

Good observation. Too risky a pick. We need a big but have to get someone, even if not that big, who contributes in this draft.

Reality Czech

Very intelligent, articulate young man.

heat for life

bball iq more important.jokic might have the best bball iq doesnt sound overly intelligent

vagibugi

Well, you know, you are wrong.

Jokic type of personality is not rear in Serbia (and his brothers mentality). The difference is that he is able to hold him selves from the pleasures of life while playing basketball. Most of his compatriots couldn’t.

I m not surprised that he wants to escape from US as soon as possible. For a typical Serb US is a wasteland.

vagibugi

Agree. But I doubt he can be a good NBA player.

heat for life

not gonna be there at 15 sun man

Big_guy305

Then we can still get either filipowski or Carter, or collier.

heat for life

almost every player that plays is between 6 4 -6 9 less terry.its time to get a giant with skills dam it

vagibugi

There are real battles in the west. East? Not really.
Indy would beat NY with fair referees, but it wont. Boston will walk over incomplete Cavs, as walked over incomplete Heat, and over what will remain from NY.

And will hit the west wall hard no matter if consists from Denver, Dallas, OKC or Minnesota.

SunManFromDogBone

Talk about incomplete. Knicks are more banged up than any other team. I can’t imagine how good they would be if everyone was healthy. They would give any team a run for their money.

J. Randle, Power forward, Out, Shoulder

B. Bogdanovic, Small forward, Out, Foot

M. Robinson, Center, Out, Ankle

O. Anunoby, Small forward, Out, Hamstring

D. Washington, Shooting guard, Out, Knee

C. Brown, Shooting guard, Out, Concussion

heat for life

does that lineup beat our starting lineup.not sure who wash and brown are but thats 2 very good players out and 2 good role players out

vagibugi

Yes, Heat, Bucks, NY, Cavs all incomplete.

2qbn

All that Wolves nut hugging and they are looking down the barrel of a second round exit. Don’t forget they gave up a ton of picks for Gobert, who just got bodied once again in the playoffs. My guess is they trade Towns for better fitting pieces around Ant, because if not, they sucked for years just to become the 76ers of the west.

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heat for life

aintman over yet takes 4 games,not looking good though for minn.butler on minn would be a great fit.send us meow down here or better yet naz reid

2qbn

Agree that it’s not over, but with game 7 being in Denver, it will be a heck of a turnaround. But as you mentioned correctly, these young teams still need to learn how to win.

SunManFromDogBone

The problem with the young teams, OKC, Minnesota, Indiana, Cleveland, etc., is they don’t have a veteran star who can show them how to win as they get deeper into the playoffs. I bet one of those teams with assets (and possibly a few other veteran teams) come knocking on Riley’s door this summer with very enticing offers for Butler. Same with Lakers receiving offers for LeBron (especially if the teams are willing to draft Bronny).

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Big_guy305

What about Conley? Who is out hurt currently, for wolves, or siakim, whose won championship? The pacers defense is just trash tbh.

HHHFAN4Life

Only okc could use butler imo. Conley minny pascal Indy and for as much hate as he gets Cleveland has TT. Yes okc has Hayward but I think this is as far as he’s been in the playoffs 2nd round.

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Big_guy305

Could of sworn Hayward been to 1 conference Finals with boston.

SunManFromDogBone

I mentioned “star” players. Not players who were on championship teams. When did Conley win a championship? FYI, Bryant was on 2023 Nuggets.

heat for life

antman sga brunson not sure whos the best of the 3.

Big_guy305

Sga

SunManFromDogBone

I don’t know either but Antman sure has the biggest mouth trash talking Denver after T’Wolves went up 2-0. He’s eating his words now.

oregoner

Ant is the most fun. So he’s got my vote

SunManFromDogBone

I like his game too. He just needs to learn to shut his mouth until he has something to say. Talking shit because you win two games against the defending NBA Champs doesn’t qualify. If they lose at home tomorrow or Denver on Sunday, it’s going to be a long, hot summer for the “Ant Man.”

heat for life

his jumper is not as good as brunsons or sga

heat for life

after seeing joker dominate bam,and ad the previous years for the heat not to get bigger is a major mistake.bam is your prototypical kg shawn kemp 4

heat for life

edeys standing reach 9.75 lol

heat for life

need edey for joker

heat for life

only guy in nba that can handle joker is a healthy joel he has the size strength athleticism.rudy gobert getting boyed by joker.to bad joel always hurt and tobias harris suks so bad

SunManFromDogBone

I bet Edey and Bam could double team and bust his ass pretty good. Joker eats Bam alone for breakfast.

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heat for life

bams half his size comes up to his nipples.edey would tower over joker. 7 4 300lbs.nobody could guard edey in college.hes not gonna last to 15 sunman no way.read the internet

oregoner

Nobody is guarding the Joker. For Joel to guard him he would have to be able to play seven straight games against him. That’s never going to happen

SunManFromDogBone

The more I see Hartenstein, the more I think Miami needs to select a big center (like Edey) in next month’s draft to pair with Bam in the front court.

Worse case scenario, if Miami makes no changes at all, other than drafting Edey/big, they would have a playoff caliber team if all their core players return healthy, they retain their G leaguers and a few players (Martin, Bryant, Highsmith and Mills) opt out, are traded or are not re-signed.

PG: Rozier/Richardson/Wright
SG: Herro/DRobinson/Williams*
SF: Butler/Jaquez/Swider*
PF: Adebayo/Jovic/Cain*
C: Edey/Love/ORobinson

*Signed to G League or minimum NBA contracts.

heat for life

edeys a monster 7 4 300lbs no fat.he dominated the center from connecticut.he dominated everybody just to big and talented.if hes on the board and riley dont take him major mistake.just based on his college career and size a no brainer.

heat for life

hartenshteins a fa btw sunman

SunManFromDogBone

Miami is broke and NY is going to want him back.

heat for life

if i had to give up jimmy to get $$ space to get i hart bye bye coffee.ill take a couple j harts with that extra $$ to.not sure what salary cap is this year how much we have but got lots dead wood on roster.

heat for life

edey would make joker look bam small lol

SunManFromDogBone

Yup. I think Bam could win Defensive Player of the Year as PF.

Big_guy305

He should of won it this year, gobert is overrated , he’s always a liability in the playoffs, and the joker eating him up BBQ CHICKEN.

heat for life

rozier herro butler bam mt. edey sounds good to me,bench jjj jovic wright love not bad.could use a hart or two either j or i

heat for life

i hart 10 off rebounds one game,

heat for life

can u imagine a brunson luka bc thats a terry scary thought

ManilaHeat

…bringing the heat…
We are still part of it lol

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heat for life

achiuwa james johnson yes

oregoner

Jeez. This team goes one year without making the Conference Finals and suddenly the sky is falling.

I just want to point out how ridiculous it is to say past years don’t matter, only this year. Also, context doesn’t matter, all that matters is that the Heat didn’t win. If that’s the case, this year is over, so nothing that happened on the basketball court matters? All that matters is how we feel? If the only thing that matters is this year, does that mean the Spurs should fire Pop and the Warriors should fire Kerr and the Sixers should fire Nurse? Because all of those guys are out too.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Riley had more success in past three years than Morey and Presti combined, for their entire careers, and those are the Golden Boys of NBA GM’s. This team had a bad season because they missed too many games with injuries. And Riley has made it clear he doesn’t think that was just bad luck. It’s a problem, and he’s going to fix it.

If the fact that the Heat have been the best team in the East this entire Century isn’t enough to earn your trust, at least respect the fact that this team was in the Finals less than a year ago. And the year before that they had the best record in the East and were in the Conference Finals. And they were in the Finals two years before that.

If you don’t trust Riley to keep this team successful and relevant, that says more about you than it does about him. Because that guy has been successful his entire career.

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Bout30man

One, he got an incredible player, and a terrific draft pick, and failed in three years to give them the supporting cast they needed to win it all. It’s never been about before three years ago, it’s been about since. And I have a feeling we should revisit this convo next year, as what I wrote is not about just this one year but the direction we are going. I will remind you of this next year. We will see where things stand then.

oregoner

He got an incredible player that has played for 4 different teams over 13 seasons. That ‘incredible player’ has only made it past the second round of the playoffs three times, and all three times with the Heat. Once to the Conference Finals, and twice to the NBA Finals. Not bad for “incredible player” on a team that “failed to give the the supporting cast they needed”.

The “terrific draft pick” came in the middle of the first round. Along with three other “terrific draft picks” that also came from the mid-first round or later. Again, not bad for a GM that was lucky to land a terrific draft pick.

To be clear, the Sixers had the league MVP, a former MVP, and the same “incredible player” that the Heat got, and have never made it past the second round. The Nets had two former MVPs and a former all-star and failed to make it past the second round.

Somehow, Pat Riley got an incredible player, failed to build around him, still made the finals twice, and is a disappointment. But Daryl Morey has the reigning MVP, never made it past the second round, and is a genius.

2qbn

Yeah, man. Heat Nation is so spoiled they have no idea how good they have it. They say each year we’re not going to do squat, then when the team makes ECF or Finals, they say well we didn’t win it. Then they bring up teams like the Wolves or Magic. Well guess effing what? The league is currently designed to not truly allow a big 3, hello Phoenix, and you have to suck for several years to then be one of these teams they mention. But guess what else? If you lose and suck for too long, your organization has ZERO idea how to truly win, hello 76ers and The Process.

I chuckle at people, like Prometheus (where is he), who do the same schtick every season. But when the season actually comes when the team is like one of the worst 3 to 4 teams, they’ll be saying how Riley is old and blah blah blahhhhh. I just sit back and treat every NBA season as the individual season it is. We have seen too many pre-season champs, hello Bucks, do jack s**t. We have seen the Heat be mentioned by Zack Lowe as being in the WORST shape and then have a 4 year run that most team have never had. I’m just going to sit back and sip on a frosty beverage.

Reality Czech

What I said earlier is worth repeating:
If, big if, Boston wins this year, it’ll be their first title in 16 years! The Knicks haven’t gotten past the second round in 24 years. The Wolves 20. Sixers 23. Pelicans, never.
As a Dolphins, Canes, Marlins, even Panthers fan (I don’t closely watch the latter two but do root for them. Very happy for Panthers and want them to close out Boston for revenge), I know what losing year after year is like. The last time the Fins won, many here probably weren’t even born.
The Heat have been a great organization, and in most years give you a fun and/or competitive team to watch. I am actually more excited about this offseason than many in the recent past specifically because so much is uncertain.

ManilaHeat