NBA GAMETHREAD: Miami Heat (37-30) @ Philadelphia 76ers (37-30)

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Injury Report:

Miami Heat:

  • Bam Adebayo (Lower Back; Contusion) — AVAILABLE
  • Caleb Martin (Left Thumb; Sprain) — AVAILABLE
  • Tyler Herro (Right Foot; Medial Tendinitis) — OUT
  • Nikola Jovic (Right Hamstring; Strain) — OUT
  • Jimmy Butler (Right Foot; Contusion) — OUT
  • Kevin Love (Right Heel; Bruise) — OUT
  • Josh Richardson (Right Shoulder; Surgery) — OUT
  • Alondes Williams (G League – Two-Way) — OUT
  • Cole Swider (G League – Two-Way) — OUT

Philadelphia 76ers:

  • Tobias Harris (ankle) — QUESTIONABLE
  • Joel Embiid (knee) — OUT
  • Robert Covington (knee) — OUT
  • Kai Jones (hamstring) — OUT
  • De’Anthony Melton (back) — OUT
  • Terquavion Smith (g league) — OUT

Starting 5:

Miami Heat:

  • Terry Rozier, G
  • Duncan Robinson, G
  • Jimmy Butler, F
  • Nikola Jovic, F
  • Bam Adebayo, C

Philadelphia 76ers:

  • Kyle Lowry, G
  • Tyrese Maxey, G
  • Kelly Oubre, F
  • Nicolas Batum, F
  • Mo Bamba, C

Broadcast Info:

  • Tipoff: 7:30 PM EST
  • TV: Bally Sports Sun (Eric Reid, John Crotty)
  • Radio: AM 560 Sports WQAM & The HEAT Radio Network (Jason Jackson)
  • Spanish Radio: WAQI 710 AM & The HEAT Spanish Radio Network (José Pañeda)
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vagibugi

Well, we loose a dog fight.
I like Nurse, he is one of the best coaches in the league, one of the few, who can match Spo.
He did his job last night.

Both teams are a perfect example, why you need top talent to win games and why playing hard is just not enough.

Martin was great and terrible at the same time. weird game for him.

oregoner

After watching those two Pistons games, I saw this coming from a mile away. I didn’t see the game tonight but I’ll check out the next two against the Cavs and the Pellies.

The problem is pretty obvious. Before the season, we were all crowing about the Heat depth and how they were 10-deep. Well, since then they’ve lost J-Rich, Dru, Herro, Lowry, Butler, and Love. I guess they added Rozier. But when this team is relying on Patty Mills, Delon Wright, and Thomas Bryant to be the 7-9 players off the bench, they’re in trouble.

Reality Czech

The injuries and inconsistency have definitely hurt. However, I can confirm that the Heat did, indeed, add Rozier. The last 3 games, he’s scored 20, 17, and 18 points. He didn’t come here as a savior that was going to carry the team. He came as an addition to upgrade the point guard position. And he has. He’s a good complimentary piece, a guy meant to be the #3 or #4 option on the team.

oregoner

yeah I don’t think Rozier is a bad player. But I don’t think he’s better than Herro. I’m not sure if he is better than J-Rich or Lowry. And I think it’s unrealistic to expect him to save this team that is playing two guards they got on the buyout market.

If Rozier was fighting for minutes in a guard rotation with Herro, J-Rich, and Duncan, I think he would have been a great addition to the team this season. But with two of those guys out and Butler missing games, I just don’t think he’s good enough to fill up the gap in the roster

SunManFromDogBone

Rozier is doing what he was brought here to do. The problem is he hasn’t played with all the regulars and is being expected to pick up the scoring slack for Herro, Butler, Duncan and Bam when they are out or cold AF. He wasn’t brought in to be the team’s savior and is doing the best he can. Dude had 20 points and 8 rebounds tonight. WTF?

Reality Czech

I’ve never suggested that Rozier is better than Herro. I do think he is more a starter than J Rich or Lowry at this stage. Lowry has had a stellar career and there’s no way Rozier will match it, but he is on the downside of that career now. He’s similar to Love in that way – a guy with a high bb IQ who can still give you some good minutes.

Alien

The addition of Rozier on paper makes the Heat look better but on court result the story is worse than that. So it is not surprising that the current 8th seed standing is not better than where the Heat were last season. One would have thought that if his addition made the Heat better, we should not be battling to stay out of the play in tournament. To prove that Rozier is better than Lowry, the argument is that Rozier is averaging 17 points a game while Lowry averaged 9 points a game. They don’t tell you the other side of the story, i.e Bam and Herro’s averages have both dropped by about 4 points each.In order words, Rozier pulled points from Bam and Herro and added those to Lowry’s 9 points to get his 17 pts. That is the real statistics. I pointed this before the trade, that one should expect the average of one Heat’s 3 leading scorers (Butler,Bam and Herro) to drop which often happens, only very few players in the league make other players better. I did not expect that his addition was going to cause a drop in the average of two players instead of one player. The addition of Rozier has made no difference IMHO at least as per standings. Heat’s man issues remain, mismatches, guys not making open shots and the additional problem of lack bench depth since the loss JRich , Love and moving JJJ from the 2nd unit to a starter in some games. The real effect of adding a pg to the Heat should be measured by the averages of Heat’s leading scorers before and after the trade and also by the current standing in the ECF. That is a broader way to view the effect of his addition. Pointing to Rozier’s average points per game is a tunnel vision approach IMHO.

SunManFromDogBone

Soooooooo, if the Heat and the Sixers end up 7 &8 and Embiid, Harris, Covington and Melton are back and we lose to them in the first play-in game, we must beat the winner of the Hawks and the Bulls for the right to play Boston in the first round? Sounds like a plan. If Heat can get their s*** together in the next few weeks maybe they can jump past Philly and Pacers into 6th place. At least then we might get Cavs, Knicks or Magic in the first round.

Last edited 24 days ago by SunManFromDogBone
ZechMerquise

calm down guys. lets save the ‘trade jimmy/bam’ chatters in the offseason. we stil have 14 games to get that 6th seed

Bout30man

I think I am pretty alone in this. I got pretty disillusioned last night. And you are right, plenty of time to re-evaluate in the off season. No matter what…. Go Heat!

ManilaHeat

Caleb struggled this game offensively but was still great on d. If those open 3 attempts fell even a couple of em then Dunc added some more…well, we’ll never know now. Kudos to Sixers they played well both ends

heat for life

30 man im surprised your writing the heat off now.its a looong season be healthy and fresh at playoff time u think 30.i think jimmy has another run in him .hes saving himself for the the playoffs 30 man.u think jimmy would let down the godfather 30 i dont to much respect for riley

Bout30man

Yes, I am sorry, but that is what I think. It is hard to envision us going far. I am tired of pretending to be optimistic. Maybe I shouldn’t comment anymore as I don’t like criticizing. But, I think it’s important to be honest, at least once.

ManilaHeat

I feel you but I’m still optimistic until the fat lady sings and Heat officially out. Wether the play-in, the first rd or the next which if they reach even the second rd id be happy. More and more fans are already counting them out. To see is to believe. And we are seeing crap lol. But hope can be rewarding. 3% may even be less come playoffs. Still….go Heat!!

Bout30man

Yes, that is fandom. I will be hoping for the best too.

heat for life

no way u can write this team off unless 30 man knows how much jimmy has left in the tank.do u think jimmys just saving himself for the real season.82 games of pounding on that hard floor takes its toll.im in the corner where jimmy is just pacing himself for the playoffs.no way to write this team off especially with terry looking much better.

Bout30man

I don’t think he can carry us anymore. And he misses a lot more games now. And he isn’t quite the same when he is in. He used to often score like two thirds of our points in crunch time. That’s not happening lately as much. So, to answer your question, yes, he is saving up his strength for the playoffs on some level. But, I also think he has just started to fade and has about 95% of his skills he had last year. He is still a very good player, but you can’t call him a superstar anymore. And the effort he has to give to be that good wears him out now and causes him to miss games.

heat for life

hey i heard bam just took a shot, with kyle and maxey at stallones pub on liberty st.it was a successful shot from what i hear they were laughing it up all night about the heat loss

ManilaHeat

That’s great for me. Still buddies outside the court. If embiid and jimmy where there they could even discreetly lure one of them over at south beach lol

heat for life

jimmy and joel real good buddies another reason to keep jim manila

ManilaHeat

Joel’s a talented player but glass legs that’s the big concern.

Alien

For context:
Lowry and the Heat beat the sixers thrice last year , 2 games with and 1 game without Embiid playing. If my memory serves me right. The sixers beat us once last year. Last year the regular season series ended 3-1 in favor of the Heat.This year is 1-1 so far.

Last edited 25 days ago by Alien
heat for life

lowry got out of shape downhere prob got disinterested playing down here.he was not good alien

Reality Czech

Was everyone on the Heat healthy in those games? What did Lowry do that helped to win those games? We had 5 guys out tonight. Then we lost Duncan. I still don’t think that’s an excuse to lose with Sixers having injuries of their own. And, as hfl pointed out, our best player didn’t take a shot in the second half.

heat for life

amy audibert pointed that out. ihad posted an mia on bam when jimmy is locked in we can beat any team in the east .i still believe that as of today if we have playoff jimmy we have a good chance to win the east.lowry contributed very little to winning in those games . he contributed alot tonight though props to him

Alien

I stand to be corrected, bench players get rings if their team wins a championship irrespective of the players’ played or not. Not yo talk of a player who played in the 3 games that the Heat beat the Sixers. Excuses never play well.

Reality Czech

I ask direct questions and you give obtuse responses (and then deny they are). So,for the THIRD time, do you think the Heat were better with Lowry than they are with Rozier. It’s a simple yes or no. Just step up to the plate and answer.

Bout30man

It was a younger Lowry, at about 90% of his Toronto skills, and it was superstar Jimmy. And there was Gabe, and an occasional VO., and Strus. And the opposition was not quite as good, except Philly without Embiid. That was then, this is now.

heat for life

we got terry better than gabe orvo jjj better overall player than max.dunc has improved bam has improved.its all about jim what he can give us.knicks have gotten better.boston improved.if we get the jimmy i think we can get we can win the east.what does jimmy have left big ?btw gabe and especially max struggled in playoffs especially max vs boston one year.this is the best team weve had in years but bost cleve ny have improved

ZechMerquise

nevermind, i just looked at the sixers sched and they have a heavy sched. suns, lakers, clippers 2x, kings, cavs lol. goodluck to them holding to that 6th spot

ManilaHeat

Bam cnt carry a team on his own. Yet. Opponents know how to easily defend him already. Those open missed shots is what killed us this game. And other games. The defense is there just hoping thet can “turn it on” again. The soonest.

heat for life

in the first half they didnt know how to defend him manila

ManilaHeat

Exactly. Teams adjust. Bam and Spo need to also for the game’s duration

heat for life

theres about10-15 players in nba adj mean squat bam aint one of them i guess.

ZechMerquise

aaanndd…of course we lose to a team that has any semblance of playoff aspirations smh. we can only win against the pistons

heat for life

when was the last time we beat a good team let me ck the sched

heat for life

had some nice wins about month ago sac milw pels

heat for life

Lets build team around a guy who did not take a shot in second half with your best player out ok sun man lets go.who u trading for jimmy

Reality Czech

Look at the outrageous packages that teams were getting for players who are not nearly as good as Butler. Butler is the perfect addition for a team that is one piece away. He brings scoring, savvy, intensity, defense.
Players making less, some much less than Butler include Doncic, Booker, Garland, Morant, Mitchell, J Murray, Shai, and Fox, amongst others.

heat for life

look at what the dolphins are going to pay tua way more than the best qbs.u got a great player when motivated and healthy but jimmys 37 not that motivated never healthy so its a tough call,if u trade him away u will not be a good team though unless u get a player of almost equal ability,which is highly unlikely.draft choices are no guarantee of anything.tough call on jimmy

Alien

😆

SunManFromDogBone

The highest bidder who has the assets that are best for the team.

heat for life

BAM DID NOT TAKE A SHOT IN SECOND HALF. BAM DID NOT TAKE SHOT IN SECOND HALF.BAM DID NOT I WONT BE ABLE TO SLEEP TONIGHT

Reality Czech

Turner Classic has the Errol Flynn marathon going.

heat for life

what ch please im still thinking about bam dont want to take a sleeping pill

heat for life

ill watch the three stooges there on all night.i need some comic relief or i can watch highlight reels of duncs defense i swear rc that makes me laugh.love dunc though tries so hard gives 100% effort all u can ask an athlete.

Reality Czech

I thought I was watching the three stooges earlier, but then i realized it was the Heat game. 😆

heat for life

moe larry curley martin or moe larry shemp adebayo i preferred curley martin

heat for life

did i just hear bam didnt take a shot in second half can that be true,if it is theres something wrong with that guy,sunman wants to build a team around him lol

Bout30man

He is our best player who plays most nights, but he has no big man support. You can build a team around him with three draft picks and a rotation big man, Rozier, and ….? Who am I kidding, our next best player is Caleb and we are losing him too. Going to be a rough next few years, but let the rebuild begin. You can’t sign Jimmy again, can’t count on him anymore.

heat for life

rozier better player than caleb 30.no big man support wtf is that.get the ball at least try to make a basket come on 30 bam does not have the mentality u want in your best players

Bout30man

When Caleb is tied for our third best player with Rozier, and our best player can’t be counted on to play in big games, and when several of our other players tend to wilt in big games, you just can’t compete. We were always too dependent on Jimmy, and we can’t depend on him anymore. Sorry, that will be my last negative assessment of our team. I get no pleasure in saying this stuff, only displeasure.
All I can say anymore is….Go Heat! May you figure this all out and come back stronger next year.

heat for life

whos philys third best whos cleve third best terrys a good third option.is ogunoby better than terry.holiday that much better than terry prob so

JoshM

Damn. That was a stink…sixers were ready to hand the game over at the end.

heat for life

newby welcome go heat

heat for life

lowry is 10x the player patricia nah just better.id never think anybody could be worse than turtle well we have one

Bout30man

This loss hurts. Damn it! Look at the box score. It is telling as to who was up to it and who wilted under pressure. We needed Jimmy, but it’s also clear how mediocre this team is. No denying it anymore. With Embiid they would rout us even fully healthy. It’s been hard on us all trying to believe when almost every good team we play, we get beat.

heat for life

phily w/o embid and tobias harris lose to any good team

heat for life

with jimmy herro love playing and embid playing they would not rout us no way 30

Bout30man

They would demolish us. Both teams fully healthy, no comparison. Love would make us worse, not better, and Herro would not help enough. And who knows when Jimmy is going to play anymore.

ManilaHeat

Nope. I disagree. If both healthy I will bet my left hand in a seven game series vs these sixers. They look better now coz of the good changes they made in regular season but untested in playoffs.

Alien

Lowry and the Heat beat the sixers twice last year with Embiid, and once this year without Embiid, if my memory serves me right

heat for life

somebody put an mia for # 13

heat for life

why eric why r u playing patricia mills

Zac

The Patty Mills minutes are crazy. Jamal Cain should be heated.

Started his Heat career 5 for 5, since then:
0 for 2 OKC
3 for 7 Wash
1 for 6 Denver
0 for 4 Detroit
0 for 4 Detroit
1 for 6 Philly

5 for his last 29. I get Spo wants a PG, but man…hard to watch him get these shots up.

heat for life

jamal cains better than hh i say.

heat for life

big guy 305 must be working out

heat for life

again w/o jim we are mediocre anybody doesnt see it that way dont know what to tell u

Reality Czech

I don’t believe we are a championship contender with him at this point. You can find an A or A+ player for the $45 million he’s getting.

Bout30man

And they have hidden the mediocrity with all the injuries so it’s been hard to be sure. But, it is right there if you just try to be objective. And, Jimmy not being available when we need him is getting old too. I am ready to say goodbye to Emo Jimmy. We should send him and his coffee business somewhere else, get all we can for him. And, I was maybe his biggest supporter, but, time to move on.

heat for life

in the east we can get to the finals with jimmy and ty i think.we cant beat denver with little bam on joker

Bout30man

No way. We are going to get knocked out by Chicago this year. Just wait. It’s over. This is definitely not last year and Jimmy is no longer Himmy.

Bout30man

Remember I said this. I am the first to give up on this team. See if I am not right. But when I am proven right, just remember who said it first.

Reality Czech

I don’t know if I gave up on the team. Actually, I never really give up on them. But I haven’t agreed with anyone who thought we could get back to the finals with this roster. Big Guy nailed it – the Heat have improved the roster this season, but other teams have improved more, much more.

Reality Czech

And on top of that, Herro out 50% of the season nd Butler out 25%? No way to compete like that.

Zac

I’m not sure I’ve ever hated a basketball announcer as much as I hate Dorris Burke.

Reality Czech

She’s hard to listen to.

heat for life

i think shes doing the finals . jvg and mark jackson were so good with breen espn had to cut salaries

heat for life

lost to a bad team tonight.not even an avg team

Bout30man

Lost to a very average team, a team most would beat.

heat for life

we lost caleb brainfart

Reality Czech

Critical loss

Zac

Jimmy resting again, but will give a statement about how they know they need to be better…21 missed games. Herro 32 missed games…

Can’t feel bad for guys missing games when that all they do. Almost like they aren’t part of the team.

heat for life

TY WANTS TO BE THERE JIMMY DOESNT

heat for life

jjjs a 2 way player but never will be an all star

heat for life

jjj some bad bad bball

heat for life

where the f is bam

heat for life

lowry revenge tour

heat for life

lowry moved his right shoulder

ManilaHeat

Good fight back for these Heat bunch hope they can pull this off

heat for life

u cant build a team around bam he is more of a complimentary player he cant be your best player

Reality Czech

Can’t do it with Butler either. His best days are clearly behind him. And you just can’t hand him $60 million a year.

Zac

If Pat pays Jimmy, you know building a title contender isn’t in the cards. It’ll be hard enough to fix all the long contacts, but if Jimmy gets his check, you can basically take the next 3-5 years off of watching.

heat for life

caleb unreal play made up for all your terrible plays game saver

Reality Czech

Sixers might win another challenge

Reality Czech

Maybe not, he leaned

heat for life

has bam scored in 2nd half

heat for life

Well, if ever we needed a run, this is it.ty rc and terry

Reality Czech

Haha

ManilaHeat

Scary Teeeeeeeeerrry!!!!

heat for life

dont change lineup spo

Reality Czech

Let’s go Heat!!!

heat for life

youve been quiet u take a nap?

Reality Czech

Hey, see below, I started this run 😀

heat for life

terry wade wow

heat for life

let bryant finish the game hes a dog

heat for life

phily w/o maxey out there is pure garbage guess w/o bam were pretty close to that

heat for life

bryant gives all he has when out there jimmy should take notice

ManilaHeat

Go Heat!!!

heat for life

caleb what was in those drinks last night

heat for life

think jjjs career #s gonna be 15 5 2

Reality Czech

Well, if ever we needed a run, this is it

heat for life

lowry pushed dunc on his layup bet thats where dunc got hurt

ManilaHeat

At least its not 20+ deficit. Props to sixers they’re playing well both ends. Maxey playing like an all-star. Final quarter go Heat!

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