The Miami Heat have an offseason filled with uncertainty on the horizon. There are a plethora of routes the Heat front office can take here. There are questions regarding the future of Jimmy Butler, Tyler Herro and several other rotation pieces that could be expendable. One of those questions is indeed Caleb Martin.
Both Martin and Haywood Highsmith are two role players that are expected to hit free agency. Similar to the situations with Gabe Vincent and Max Strus a year ago, the Heat may not be able to afford bringing them back.
More so Martin, who surely should be getting more attention on the market than Highsmith at this time. Martin was a key piece to Miami’s playoff runs in 2022 and 2023, and even one of the team’s top players throughout the Eastern Conference finals a year ago against the Boston Celtics. He averaged 19.3 points, 6.4 rebounds and 1.7 assists on 59.7% shooting in that series.
Barry Jackson, Heat insider, reported that because of the team’s limited cap space after the Terry Rozier trade, bringing back Martin is “highly unlikely.”
It is ‘highly unlikely’ that Miami will be able to afford to re-sign Caleb Martin this summer, per @flasportsbuzz
“When the Heat opted to take on the final 2 ½ years of Terry Rozier’s contract in January, it largely eliminated two pools of potential targets this summer: 1).… pic.twitter.com/IpFYJgqrvC
— NBACentral (@TheDunkCentral) May 13, 2024
Surely there is always a possibility that a player like Martin could come back on a good price or even just opt back into his current $7.1 million player option. Perhaps he could wait it out for a significant offseason splash that increases the Heat’s championship odds that could entice him to do so.
Martin averaged 10.0 points, 4.4 rebounds, 2.2 assists and 0.7 steals in 64 games played this regular season. He shot 43.1% from the field and 34.9% from 3-point range; two statistical categories that have gradually decreased in each of his three seasons here.
His intensity on the defense end on the perimeter and ability to rise in the playoffs has made Martin a true x-factor.
But unless Martin is willing to take a significant discount, his South Beach tenure could be over soon. Yet another true undrafted success story as a player that excelled in the Heat’s system, but due for a pay day.
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In latest ESPN 2024 NBA Mock Draft, Zach Edey goes #9 to Memphis. Heat draft USC PG Collier at #15.
https://www.si.com/nba/suns/analysis/nba-mock-draft-zach-edey-goes-early
I think it will be huge mistake if Miami does move Bam to power forward and does not select a center to start next to him, throught the draft, through trade or free agency.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/sportsgrid-s-nba-mock-draft-2-0-where-does-atlanta-turn/ss-BB1mzKHK?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=3aa5a708832540dbb5dcdefd462034c0&ei=33#image=30
TRADE IDEA
Cleveland Receives:
Houston Receives:
Miami Receives:
Saw that on auch. Looks reeeaaaal good to me!
I would do that trade in a heartbeat.
Yup
The more this postseason unfolds, (and depending on how the off-season goes), I feel more and more a sense of a missed opportunity.
Depending on a lot, it could rise above lebron’s 2011 meltdown against the Mavericks–at least those teams went on to the summit.
Not saying I haven’t been delighted by this era–but injuries and a missed 3 may be all that’s separating us from a championship or two or even three (because Jimmy was clearly hampered last year).
Off the top of my head the 7 seconds or less Suns who got tagged by some b.s. suspensions; the last Timmy led Spurs squad that ran into the Clippers in round two; the first Jordan-retirement Bulls; the Warriors squad that lost KD to injury (and then Klay right?).
We’re not quite in that territory but we’re in the general conversation of what-ifs.
maybe in the east.dont think with healthy jim and terry could beat any of western teams maybe okc
murrays elbow hurt .boy injuries just dont stop,adam the fkn seasons too long
Fitting game 7 for Nuggets-Wolves chess match. But blowout loss to the tune of 30+ deficit this gm6 is so not Denver but it happens. Great game for Wolves
game 7 like denver.cant see them losing.hope they do though
gobert is good just cause hes big .if he was bams height wouldnt even be in the nba
If he was Kevin Hart size he could do commercials.
if my aunt had nuts she would be my uncle
If she had nuts and was living in your house she would be your Uncle Daddy.
jimmy butlers tall he does commercials
i would say edey could be at least as good as gobert.gobert has elite size
Yup. I agree.
20 0 run against denver .wow
Any thoughts?
Hawks acquire: Tyler Herro, 2029 lottery-protected first-round pick
Heat acquire: Dejounte Murray
Cavs acquire: Tyler Herro, Nikola Jovic, 2029 first-round pick, 2031 first-round pick
Heat acquire: Donovan Mitchell
Cavs acquire: Jimmy Butler
Jazz acquires: Tyler Herro
Heat acquires: Donovan Mitchell, George Niang, John Collins
One other thought regarding the 2024 draft. Either way, a center is needed badly.
If Miami plans to retain and extend Butler, it makes sense to draft Zach Edey. His size and pace are more compatible with the Heat’s slow down/half court game in the Jimmy Butler era.
If Miami plans to evolve into a faster paced/run and gun style offense, it makes sense to go after a thinner, faster more mobile center.
whatever the heat do they have to come back next year with taller faster and stronger players
If they draft Edey and he is good enough to start and Jovic comes back stronger with more confidence and they trade Butler for Mitchell, they would have a very tall front court and a very good backcourt.
are there any players in the nba youd take over joker and luka,me say no.
Maybe Ant. Giannis. Wemby. It’s a short list.
Regarding the Mitchell situation, was there a big name player who actually walked away and wasn’t signed and traded? James comes to mind but that was a decade ago.
Jimmy Butler
After Bulls? Or Minny? Thanks
Jimmy Butler to the Heat!
But this sounds fun. Let’s do a Jimmy Butler history:
Drafted by the Rose/Noah Bulls (30th), Maxed out getting beat by the Heatles in the second round.
Traded to the Wolves because the Bulls want to pay him a max contract. Asked Wolves for a trade, then the infamous practice happened. Rumored to the Heat, ended up on the Process Sixers on an expiring contract.
Plays for the Peak Process Sixers with Embiid, Simmons, and Harris. Eliminated by Kawhai in the second round on a legendary shot.
Now this is the important part. When his contract expires, he decides he’s sick of playing for sad sack franchises and wants to play for the Heat, even through they’re mediocre with no draft picks and no cap space. The Heat somehow trade Whiteside and J-Rich for literally nothing so they can sign Butler. They win the East twice and make game-7 of the ECF once.
So yeah, the last time I can remember a big time free agent walking away from his team to sign somewhere else, it was Jimmy Butler to the Heat. Lead to 5 pretty good seasons by Heat standards. Or the 5 best years of Jimmy Butler’s life, depending on how you want to look at it
The LeBron example is a good one. He actually had a contract that allowed him to opt out with TWO years remaining, whereas on their current contracts, Mitchell and Butler would have the opt out option when each has 1 year remaining.
Respectfully, Butler coming to Miami from Philadelphia was a different situation. There was no opt out situation. His contract expired at the end of that season, making him an unrestricted free agent. Due to cap issues, the Heat could not sign him directly, so they arranged a sign and trade to bring him in while sending Whiteside and Richardson out.
One of the best articles I’ve recently read. Much Miami can learn.
8 Lessons the Heat can learn from every remaining NBA playoff team
https://allucanheat.com/posts/8-lessons-miami-heat-can-learn-from-every-remaining-nba-playoff-team/4?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email&sc=e0273490fd355e2c28bdb25751d41af65a4dd80936ff00a80be9866c97887955
INTERESTING ARTICLE
The 3 major factors in Heat’s potential pursuit of Donovan Mitchell
https://allucanheat.com/posts/2-factors-miami-heat-donovan-mitchell-trade?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email&sc=e0273490fd355e2c28bdb25751d41af65a4dd80936ff00a80be9866c97887955
The biggest factor is that Donovan is on an expiring contract, so he has more leverage than a lot of other potential trade targets. If he signs the extension with Cleveland, the situation changes. But otherwise, he’s one year away from calling his shot, so everyone needs to be careful trading for him
when u can get a donovan mitchell whos still in his prime.but father time not so far away u snap at the chance to get him.im giving up any 3 players not named jimmy bam or terry.a full healthy year of terry is gonna be a major plus
oh yeah, I’m not worried about the Heat trading for him. I’m saying a team like New Orleans or OKC is taking a big risk if they trade for war chest of picks for him, because he could walk after a year.
If I’m the Heat, I trade everyone but Bam for Mitchell, sign him to a long term extension, and then you start building around Don & Bam.
Exactly the same situation as Butler.
yep. I expect Jimmy doesn’t have as much trade value as we think, unless he’s going to the Knicks or Lakers, who don’t have much to offer
Let the Donovan Mitchell sweepstakes begin!
unless jim and bam are part of a deal hes not coming here,
thanks for your prediction nostradumbass
i wish he was mr trailblazer fan
you should try being a fan of the Blazers and Heat. You’ll never complain about Pat Riley again
i can only be a fan of one team all miami teams.i just think last few years pat has swung and missed to much
well in that case you should compare Riley to every Miami team, college and pro combined, and see who had more success in the past 25 years, past 15 years, and past 5 years. Heat were in the Finals less than a year ago. When was the last time the Marlins or Dolphins were even close to the Championship game?
hell yes but hes failed last year or two look at dallas and ny
last year he eliminated NY on the way to the NBA finals.
gafford pj og donte hart hes not been good enough
In 2017, the Mavs were 33-49. 2018, 24-58, 2019, 33-49. And then they got Doncic (and Brunson too actually!). So, having really bad seasons will get you high quality players. The Heat usually don’t have seasons like that.
The Knicks haven’t gotten past the second round in 24 years! 24 YEARS!!
But some people think they are better franchises? With better management? You said something recently that hit the bullseye. Something like, some people are like spoiled little kids who pout and stamp their feet when they don’t get everything they want.
yeah, i think some people are more focused on winning the offseason narrative than they are on winning postseason games
Hmmm…I think a better name would be hateforlife 😅😜
Riles this is all ur fault for spoling us!
can u at least change your name to heat fan from oregoner please.
this is my screen name across all platforms. and I live in Oregon. For what it’s worth, back in the early days of HHH, my screen name was ‘odom butler wade’, in honor of the 2003 team
how bout butler adebayo mitchell this is a heat forum oreogner just sounds bad here.
meh. the people here know who i am. i feel no need to bend my knee to satisfy everyone. and i’m a proud portlander. even if the blazers stink, living in portland is awesome.
justkidding around as long as u like the heat before the blazers lol
Everyone here is entitled to choose whatever handle they want to, within the parameters set by the blog. No one here has any right to suggest you change it. There is nothing wrong with your handle, so carry on. 😉
Hey nobody complains about my name. WTF? What am I chopped liver?
Well, yes. I actually was going to suggest you change it to ChoppedLiverFromDogBone.
i think we should all change our screen names to ‘we love heat for life’
Oh boy 🙄
everybody here loves heat for life .blazers not as much
Has a nice ring to it. But it is already taken by some dude from Poughkeepsie.
florida is the sunshine state
I’d trade jimmy for Mitchell don’t care about past accomplishments Jimmy glazers so don’t bring them up. And tbh I’d rather trade Jimmy than that 15th pick Mia has rn
once u trade jimmy unless its for mitchell the heat are alot worse
Only way I see that happening is if miami does a 3 or 4 team trade with one of his preferred destinations because Jimmy doesn’t want to go to cavs. He would either wanna go to a big market team like( Philly,knicks, clippers) or maybe a team like okc that is missing one piece to get over the hump. Lastly maybe a team in his home state of Texas like Houston, or mavs.
So when it’s other players and teams Ala Portland don’t have to-send said player to where they want to but the heat gotta follow some type of code? Nah send him where you get the best return doesn’t matter where he wants to go, so loyal to a player you didn’t draft and he has no real ties to anyone in the front office/coaching staff is crazy to me.
No team is going to trade for Butler or Mitchell if they don’t want to be there. Clevelan? Are you kidding me? They can opt out in 2025-2026 and go rogue (free agent) and that team’s GM will get fired and the team will be stuck in rebuild mode for years. Butler and Mitchell may not get #1 preference team but they will get a team on their short list (top 3-5 or so).
And that’s exactly what happened with Lillard.
Point totally went over his head, as I have and you have stated it just happened with lillard
The contract Lillard signed with Portland runs through 2026-2027 and has a player option in the final season, worth a combined $216 million. Butler and Mitchell have much more leverage than Dame since they can opt out after one more season and leave Miami and Cleveland with nothing to show for it.
Note: Teams with most draft picks to offer in 2-3-4 team trades for Butler or Mitchell.
1 San Antonio Spurs 27 draft picks (15 first round, 12 second round)
2 Oklahoma City Thunder 22 draft picks (13 first round, 9 second round)
3 Washington Wizards 20 draft picks (8 first round, 12 second round)
4 Orlando Magic 16 draft picks (7 first round, 9 second round)
5 New York Knicks 15 draft picks (9 first round, 6 second round)
Note:
Miami has 8 picks (6 first round, 2 second)
Cleveland has 9 picks (2 first round and 7 second)
In February, when I suggested a good trading partner for Butler would be OKC, someone tried to tell me they weren’t a true contender. But I believe if you put Dort or Joe on the bench and replace them with Butler, they’d at least get past Dallas.
It wasn’t me. I could see what was coming in OKC with all that young talent, draft assets, coaching and management.
Another team which may be on a trajectory similar to OKC’s is Houston.
OKC last 3 seasons: 24-58, 40-42, 57-25
Houston last 3 season: 20-62, 22-60, 41-41
The Rockets were in the running for the playoffs this year and should make the Play-in or Playoffs next year. One good trade (Butler) might make a huge difference.
True, and it definitely wasn’t you.
Thangya vera mush.
Thanks for the context explaining the different situations between Jimmy, Mitchell, and Lillard. Also I didn’t know we had that many draft picks , pat Riley been holding out on us. Now i feel like it’s a higher possibility that we can get Mitchell, or even murray.
Thangya vera mush 2.
Dame set himself up for that because miami was the only team he wanted after eliminating the other choices, but he still gets to compete for a championship with Giannis. Also you gotta look at it the other way when AD was still on pelicans, he wanted to get traded to lakers and got his wish, and didn’t even do anything for that team. Like if it was that situation and all Jimmy was doing is Stat padding and not doing anything of note in the playoffs. Or even if jimmy acted like harden I wouldn’t care wherever we sent him, if the package is good. It’s crazy that harden always went to any team he wanted, while being a playoff choke artist. But Jimmy took us 3 ecf and 2 finals, could’ve been 3, if Jimmy made the last shot in one of them. I’m not saying you gotta have a code, but to pat Riley he might be an exception. I’m not saying your wrong or right, but anything can happen with the godfather in charge. Furthermore 3 or 4 of the 6 teams I’ve mentioned can give us a good package of picks, and young ascending players. Okc, Houston, knicks, and maybe mavs.
The team had to win game 2 of the play-in 2 years in a row just to barely make the 8th seed, and someone worries we’ll be worse without Butler? With the right moves, I don’t think we’ll be worse. And we’d be younger.
yeah, i said it at after the heat lost to Philly and Indy in the last week of the season. This is a play-in team with or without Jimmy Butler. I’m not saying the Heat should definitely trade him, but I certainly wouldn’t be sad to see them go a different direction this offseason
Is anyone here below 30yrs old? I think we need a set of young blood in HHH lol
I’m 101 but still young at heart. Does that count?
No sir because I’m 31 lol
This year, the team’s winning percentage was worse with Butler than without him.
They have barely been a .500 team these last 2 years in the reg season because their leader/best player does not care or give even effort in the reg season. As long as Jimmy Butler is on this roster they will do the same thing they have done the last 2 seasons in the reg season be slightly above average no matter who they “wanna build around Jimmy and bam”
Whomever that is will get here see how Jimmy plays and follow his lead just watch
I did a composite description of Zach Edey’s fit with NBA teams.
Edey ended his workout shooting 90% on his free throws, 60% on his mid-range pull up jumpers, and 56% in his shooting behind the arc. Edey isn’t working against a defender in his shooting drills but his form shows a player who, with reps and experience, will be able to stretch a defense from outside. His domination inside the paint will likely continue to translate to the NBA along with his ability to defend the paint. His overall day seemed to parallel that of noted potential top 10 pick Donovan Clingan out of UCONN and many draft experts seemed to hint the big man could have made his way into serious consideration into the lottery of this year’s draft.
For him to be successful, he needs to be beside a roaming shot blocking, perimeter oriented PF defender. If Edey is to go in the top 15, the fit would have to be really right. Good pairings for him therefore are Milwaukee (Giannis) Oklahoma City (Chet), Memphis (JJJ), San Antonio (Wembanyama) or Miami (Bam).
If Edey does go in the top 10, it would seem San Antonio with one of the game’s best coaches in Gregg Poppovich and last year’s #1 pick Victor Wembanyama in the eighth spot would make the most sense. If not, the Chicago Bulls at 11th and the Miami Heat at 15th seem like the best fits for Edey.
What site/writer was this from? Nice.
Various.
pseudo gm what % u give the heat getting donovan
If trade involves Butler -OR- Herro+Jaquez+Jovic, plus pick(s) 50-50 chance. Otherwise, I give Miami 0-100 chance. There are too many other teams out there with assets (quality players + picks), who Cleveland would prefer trading with.
to get mitchell would u give up ty jjj jovic.hell yes to that .the future is now.ill worry about future couple years down the line after i meet everybody on bisc blvd next year in july except sunman(lives out west) manila
Since you asked.I would “leave the gun and take the canoli.”
Translation: I would trade Butler for Mitchell, keep Jaquez and Jovic, trade Herro for John Collins, Kyle Kuzma, or Miles Bridges and draft Embey.
Starters: Rozier, Mitchell, (Jovic or Jaquez), Collins/Kuzma or Bridges, Bam
2nd Unit: JRich, Duncan, Jaquez or Jovic, Embey
Reserves/G Leaguers: Love, ORobinson, Wright, Williams, Cain, Swider
sunman.com article was written by sunman our gm and should be heats gm also
Thank you Heat. Too late. I’m working on closing a long term deal with the Saskatchewan Sasquatches of the Canadian Basketball League. The weather sucks, but you can’t have everything.
jovic the best player in the league by a mile.(no play on words)how does he guard?maybe instincts ?edey totally outplayed the u conn center clingan in champ game 37pts to 11 man vs boy.he just shot right over him and everybody else he faced .gotta get him pat
Who is this Jovic person you speak of?
barkley s predictions always wrong .guy doesnt like the heat f him,kennys better anyway,
poor atlanta fans .
wow a luka block dude is so big time
luka better player than sga supporting cast dallas better.dallas really good team.hope they beat denver
rec for that. AL dough is not true.
the heat had to rank last in second chance oppts /pts.
just looked it up. Heat were 7th best in the league
that is not true
2nd chance pts miami had 5 per game nyk had 17
lively is so lively gafford seems to be the backup,nice problem to have.2 long athletic wings pj djj.1 generational talent and 1 aging ss.i think there the only team that can beat denver
Welcome to the off-season Cavs! You fought hard too bad we’re both banged up. Maybe we can join forces? Heat get Mitchell, Cavs get Ty, Dunc, Jovic, pick/s…not enough?
not enough .dont have enough to get him,if dan gilbert still owner dont think hes gonna give us anything maybe max strus
I think it’s enough, unless lakers get into the action. But that should be enough because Mitchell has the leverage, they Wanna get as much as they can ,since he probably gonna leave anyways.
what teams would not want a donovan mitchell.donovn might want to play here like daME did but cleveland will do whats best for them.
A lot of teams want him, but they probably don’t have the cap, or the right players for him to wanna go, but he has the leverage, and will only go to his preferred destinations. Which are miami,lakers, knicks, nets. He’s probably not staying cavs, not going to bucks, Boston, or pacers, or Orlando. He ain’t going to pelicans, warriors, Phoenix, or timberwolves, or the nuggets, or rockets, or mavs. The only teams I can see possibly going for in the west are okc and lakers. The only teams he would probably go to in the east are miami,knicks,nets. Big if on the pacers and Philly. Either he goes to one of his preferred destinations or he’ll just walk and they won’t get Nothing.
there gonna take the best offer big.hes under contract not a fa
If im not mistaken, think its not the same case as Dame. Donovan has player option for next season, so he can dictate where we wants to go. Dame was signed for like many years, so he cannot say where he will land.
To be honest i can see the Sixers as our main competitor for Donovan. Sixers has capspace, and has Embiid. But im not sure if donovan/maxey will work tho, idc
thats scary thought though embid maxey donovan.now thats a big 3.but cleveland gonna want decent players back zech
Exactly! And sure they have cap space, but they have less assets then us. The only way they got chance at him, is if he goes to free agency, but I think they might go for pg3 instead.
Probably twenty five teams want him. And most have a lot more to offer. We have only a tiny chance of getting him.
If doesn’t matter if 25 other teams want him, he has the leverage with his player option. so he can go to one of his preferred destinations, or he will go to free agency. Our chances are slightly better then tiny.
so if cleve trades wants to trade him to so and so team what can donovan do reject the trade?
If it’s not a team he wants to go to, then he can decline his player option, and walk into free agency.
cavs bout to be eliminated…welcome to Heat, Donovan!
Every mock draft so far shows Edey going from 18-25, so I think he’ll be there. However, if he isn’t, look at it this way: that would mean that one of the lottery players will drop down to us.
It appears Edey has become the most popular prospect on HHH. If the Heat draft Edey after trading for Rozier, I’m going to start thinking someone on HHH has insider knowledge.
I like him. If he does half of what he did at Purdue, he would be a big help. However, he’s not the only possible pick at 15. There are some good prospects that will be available.
I still remember wishing the Heat would land a top-3 pick so they could draft Justise Winslow. I couldn’t believe how lucky the Heat were that he fell all the way to 10. Since then, I’ve given up trying to predict how college players will look in the pros
I think could’ve of become a poor man’s draymond, but injuries killed his career sadly 😕
Guac O.G.
Hopefully the guac will be strong with our next draft pick 🙏
missing bunny after bunny didnt help either.bustice couldnt play healthy or injured
True. But that’s true of any player they take. Luck is as much a factor as analysis.
lol. i believe there is definitely a skill in drafting. i just recognize the reality that i don’t posses it
Zach Edey interview. Sharp dude. I like his attitude. Humble confidence. He can cover paint, rebound, screen and score. Bam can cover everything outside the paint. I hope Miami drafts him!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufePwe4MpjE
Cmon guys, this is insane, nobody needs big heavy center, not today. Take a look around the league. The fattest guy I could recall are Embiid and Jokic…
He’s not fat, just big. He dominates the paint. He may not be very fast, but with Bam next to him, he doesn’t need to be.
not sure who the real studs of draft are but he might be a top 5 pick.def best c
Heavy, and slow. Similar player is Zubac from LAC. Very skilled, but just too slow.
Luka tortured him for years, for example.
Skilled wing, or even skilled center will always have an advantage against such player.
I dont think Heat will pick that type of player.
u want to keep bam as your center,theres no way in hell your beating denver .get mt. edey size matters.hes just so big but zero fat.his big ass head prob weighs 30 pounds.guys just big everywhere but no fat.this guy would tower over zubac jokic jovic but hes got offensive skills vagi,he stretches out his arms hes just about touching the rim.we have to come up with a nickname for him.when pat drafts him.im excited for this.
I m not sure about Bam, if he can play power forward.
It was always that Bam played with stretch center, like KO and Leonard. Still, those two were not the best defender. So, in past, there was always a 7 footer playing along Bam. Now, is 6.10 Jovič.
Big guys are what dominate, what do jokic,Joel, and giannis have in common? They’re big!, sure edey might have slow feet speed, but spo could make it work. Gotta remember myers Leonard had slow feet too. But anyways if we get edey, put him in a diet program like dexter Pittman, and drop 20 to 30 pounds. What he lacks in perimeter defense, he will make up for with rim protection, 2nd chance points, and blocks. Footwork is there already. His floor for me is maybe Whiteside with a better offensive package. If hartenstein can get 17 rebounds, then well edey can get 20 rebounds.
What do jokic,Joel, and giannis have in common? They’re skilled.
And there is a reason, that Hassan is out of the league. And its not just his attitude.
Fair points, that’s why he isn’t my first option, but he’s skilled in his own way with elite post dominance and rim protection, and carried Purdue with prolific scoring. Also say what you want about Whiteside, but he still played 10 seasons, he was just too much of malcontent, but I digress. Here are his combine measurables if you’re wondering about edey.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10121208-zach-edey-nba-combine-2024-measurements-analysis-and-impressions
Yes, Hassan played a long time. And he became more mature toward the end of his career. Still, that didn’t keep him in the league. He just could stay on the court, because he wasn’t fit for todays NBA.
Sorry to say, but this boy doesnt have any future in the NBA. But he could be a star 20 years ago.
In all fairness, I said his floor was Whiteside, so he could come in on limited minutes rookie year and give 7 and 7. His ceiling could be someone way better than it. Also to say he doesn’t have a future in nba is cap hyperbole, when you got players like gobert,valciunas,etc out there. Like I said he ain’t my first option, I already gave my top 3 options last article, but all I’m saying is don’t be so dismissive of his talent. But anyways let’s just agree to disagree because we’re all just armchair gm’s, so let’s see what Riley does.
hassan wasnt 7 4 with skills.spo will find a way to use his giantism and minimize his so called lack of foot speed.7 4 my man not 7 6 10 6 9
What about Marjanovic. he is 7.4… .very skilled offensive player. The only thing he lack is speed. Here, we have another star. … oh wait, he sits… I cant recall, where, on the bench. I wonder why.
marjanovic has no skills edey does
not true. Really good offensive player.
comeon vagibugi all the playoff teams have a c around 7ft .even if he gets beat with that gigantic wingspan he’ll be blocking shots.did u follow mt. edey at purdue vagi,cant teach 7 4 bro
Yes, but not that type.
Normally, I would agree with you about his size and speed. However, what other team has a combo C/PF like Bam? He can make up for Edey’s shortcomings and allow Edey to capitalize on his strengths, which Miami sorely needs. He is a mature four year player like Jaquez who is “good to go” now. If they pass him up they will regret it for years. I see him as more of a Brook Lopez than a Whiteside.
Brook evolved into stretch five. I dont see Edey doing that, at least not now.
If he could, this would be a game changer.
Good observation. Too risky a pick. We need a big but have to get someone, even if not that big, who contributes in this draft.
Very intelligent, articulate young man.
bball iq more important.jokic might have the best bball iq doesnt sound overly intelligent
Well, you know, you are wrong.
Jokic type of personality is not rear in Serbia (and his brothers mentality). The difference is that he is able to hold him selves from the pleasures of life while playing basketball. Most of his compatriots couldn’t.
I m not surprised that he wants to escape from US as soon as possible. For a typical Serb US is a wasteland.
Agree. But I doubt he can be a good NBA player.
not gonna be there at 15 sun man
Then we can still get either filipowski or Carter, or collier.
almost every player that plays is between 6 4 -6 9 less terry.its time to get a giant with skills dam it
There are real battles in the west. East? Not really.
Indy would beat NY with fair referees, but it wont. Boston will walk over incomplete Cavs, as walked over incomplete Heat, and over what will remain from NY.
And will hit the west wall hard no matter if consists from Denver, Dallas, OKC or Minnesota.
Talk about incomplete. Knicks are more banged up than any other team. I can’t imagine how good they would be if everyone was healthy. They would give any team a run for their money.
J. Randle, Power forward, Out, Shoulder
B. Bogdanovic, Small forward, Out, Foot
M. Robinson, Center, Out, Ankle
O. Anunoby, Small forward, Out, Hamstring
D. Washington, Shooting guard, Out, Knee
C. Brown, Shooting guard, Out, Concussion
does that lineup beat our starting lineup.not sure who wash and brown are but thats 2 very good players out and 2 good role players out
Yes, Heat, Bucks, NY, Cavs all incomplete.
All that Wolves nut hugging and they are looking down the barrel of a second round exit. Don’t forget they gave up a ton of picks for Gobert, who just got bodied once again in the playoffs. My guess is they trade Towns for better fitting pieces around Ant, because if not, they sucked for years just to become the 76ers of the west.
aintman over yet takes 4 games,not looking good though for minn.butler on minn would be a great fit.send us meow down here or better yet naz reid
Agree that it’s not over, but with game 7 being in Denver, it will be a heck of a turnaround. But as you mentioned correctly, these young teams still need to learn how to win.
The problem with the young teams, OKC, Minnesota, Indiana, Cleveland, etc., is they don’t have a veteran star who can show them how to win as they get deeper into the playoffs. I bet one of those teams with assets (and possibly a few other veteran teams) come knocking on Riley’s door this summer with very enticing offers for Butler. Same with Lakers receiving offers for LeBron (especially if the teams are willing to draft Bronny).
What about Conley? Who is out hurt currently, for wolves, or siakim, whose won championship? The pacers defense is just trash tbh.
Only okc could use butler imo. Conley minny pascal Indy and for as much hate as he gets Cleveland has TT. Yes okc has Hayward but I think this is as far as he’s been in the playoffs 2nd round.
Could of sworn Hayward been to 1 conference Finals with boston.
I mentioned “star” players. Not players who were on championship teams. When did Conley win a championship? FYI, Bryant was on 2023 Nuggets.
antman sga brunson not sure whos the best of the 3.
Sga
I don’t know either but Antman sure has the biggest mouth trash talking Denver after T’Wolves went up 2-0. He’s eating his words now.
Ant is the most fun. So he’s got my vote
I like his game too. He just needs to learn to shut his mouth until he has something to say. Talking shit because you win two games against the defending NBA Champs doesn’t qualify. If they lose at home tomorrow or Denver on Sunday, it’s going to be a long, hot summer for the “Ant Man.”
his jumper is not as good as brunsons or sga
after seeing joker dominate bam,and ad the previous years for the heat not to get bigger is a major mistake.bam is your prototypical kg shawn kemp 4
edeys standing reach 9.75 lol
need edey for joker
only guy in nba that can handle joker is a healthy joel he has the size strength athleticism.rudy gobert getting boyed by joker.to bad joel always hurt and tobias harris suks so bad
I bet Edey and Bam could double team and bust his ass pretty good. Joker eats Bam alone for breakfast.
bams half his size comes up to his nipples.edey would tower over joker. 7 4 300lbs.nobody could guard edey in college.hes not gonna last to 15 sunman no way.read the internet
Nobody is guarding the Joker. For Joel to guard him he would have to be able to play seven straight games against him. That’s never going to happen
The more I see Hartenstein, the more I think Miami needs to select a big center (like Edey) in next month’s draft to pair with Bam in the front court.
Worse case scenario, if Miami makes no changes at all, other than drafting Edey/big, they would have a playoff caliber team if all their core players return healthy, they retain their G leaguers and a few players (Martin, Bryant, Highsmith and Mills) opt out, are traded or are not re-signed.
PG: Rozier/Richardson/Wright
SG: Herro/DRobinson/Williams*
SF: Butler/Jaquez/Swider*
PF: Adebayo/Jovic/Cain*
C: Edey/Love/ORobinson
*Signed to G League or minimum NBA contracts.
edeys a monster 7 4 300lbs no fat.he dominated the center from connecticut.he dominated everybody just to big and talented.if hes on the board and riley dont take him major mistake.just based on his college career and size a no brainer.
hartenshteins a fa btw sunman
Miami is broke and NY is going to want him back.
if i had to give up jimmy to get $$ space to get i hart bye bye coffee.ill take a couple j harts with that extra $$ to.not sure what salary cap is this year how much we have but got lots dead wood on roster.
edey would make joker look bam small lol
Yup. I think Bam could win Defensive Player of the Year as PF.
He should of won it this year, gobert is overrated , he’s always a liability in the playoffs, and the joker eating him up BBQ CHICKEN.
rozier herro butler bam mt. edey sounds good to me,bench jjj jovic wright love not bad.could use a hart or two either j or i
i hart 10 off rebounds one game,
can u imagine a brunson luka bc thats a terry scary thought
…bringing the heat…
We are still part of it lol
achiuwa james johnson yes
Jeez. This team goes one year without making the Conference Finals and suddenly the sky is falling.
I just want to point out how ridiculous it is to say past years don’t matter, only this year. Also, context doesn’t matter, all that matters is that the Heat didn’t win. If that’s the case, this year is over, so nothing that happened on the basketball court matters? All that matters is how we feel? If the only thing that matters is this year, does that mean the Spurs should fire Pop and the Warriors should fire Kerr and the Sixers should fire Nurse? Because all of those guys are out too.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Riley had more success in past three years than Morey and Presti combined, for their entire careers, and those are the Golden Boys of NBA GM’s. This team had a bad season because they missed too many games with injuries. And Riley has made it clear he doesn’t think that was just bad luck. It’s a problem, and he’s going to fix it.
If the fact that the Heat have been the best team in the East this entire Century isn’t enough to earn your trust, at least respect the fact that this team was in the Finals less than a year ago. And the year before that they had the best record in the East and were in the Conference Finals. And they were in the Finals two years before that.
If you don’t trust Riley to keep this team successful and relevant, that says more about you than it does about him. Because that guy has been successful his entire career.
One, he got an incredible player, and a terrific draft pick, and failed in three years to give them the supporting cast they needed to win it all. It’s never been about before three years ago, it’s been about since. And I have a feeling we should revisit this convo next year, as what I wrote is not about just this one year but the direction we are going. I will remind you of this next year. We will see where things stand then.
He got an incredible player that has played for 4 different teams over 13 seasons. That ‘incredible player’ has only made it past the second round of the playoffs three times, and all three times with the Heat. Once to the Conference Finals, and twice to the NBA Finals. Not bad for “incredible player” on a team that “failed to give the the supporting cast they needed”.
The “terrific draft pick” came in the middle of the first round. Along with three other “terrific draft picks” that also came from the mid-first round or later. Again, not bad for a GM that was lucky to land a terrific draft pick.
To be clear, the Sixers had the league MVP, a former MVP, and the same “incredible player” that the Heat got, and have never made it past the second round. The Nets had two former MVPs and a former all-star and failed to make it past the second round.
Somehow, Pat Riley got an incredible player, failed to build around him, still made the finals twice, and is a disappointment. But Daryl Morey has the reigning MVP, never made it past the second round, and is a genius.
Yeah, man. Heat Nation is so spoiled they have no idea how good they have it. They say each year we’re not going to do squat, then when the team makes ECF or Finals, they say well we didn’t win it. Then they bring up teams like the Wolves or Magic. Well guess effing what? The league is currently designed to not truly allow a big 3, hello Phoenix, and you have to suck for several years to then be one of these teams they mention. But guess what else? If you lose and suck for too long, your organization has ZERO idea how to truly win, hello 76ers and The Process.
I chuckle at people, like Prometheus (where is he), who do the same schtick every season. But when the season actually comes when the team is like one of the worst 3 to 4 teams, they’ll be saying how Riley is old and blah blah blahhhhh. I just sit back and treat every NBA season as the individual season it is. We have seen too many pre-season champs, hello Bucks, do jack s**t. We have seen the Heat be mentioned by Zack Lowe as being in the WORST shape and then have a 4 year run that most team have never had. I’m just going to sit back and sip on a frosty beverage.
What I said earlier is worth repeating:
If, big if, Boston wins this year, it’ll be their first title in 16 years! The Knicks haven’t gotten past the second round in 24 years. The Wolves 20. Sixers 23. Pelicans, never.
As a Dolphins, Canes, Marlins, even Panthers fan (I don’t closely watch the latter two but do root for them. Very happy for Panthers and want them to close out Boston for revenge), I know what losing year after year is like. The last time the Fins won, many here probably weren’t even born.
The Heat have been a great organization, and in most years give you a fun and/or competitive team to watch. I am actually more excited about this offseason than many in the recent past specifically because so much is uncertain.
Different views, different perspectives. All good arguments. No black and white, some gray areas. I myself no matter how optimistic I am when some good discussion/s come around I also question at times if Riles was wrong, or players just not focused much…and other details. So I respect several positions I read here. Even when some see it as an utter failure. Well, I actually roll my eyes on that haha
Would be bummer to lose Caleb. Wish him the best. Now…Pat says Herro is fragile…yes that’s obvious as is Duncan. Have said this before…put the basketball balls away for a month and enroll all the Heat fragile, physically challenged players into some type of martial arts or karate camp. There has to be some type of combative technique to learn how leverage can help to withstand the impact and reverse the nature of mass moving mass while utilizing force & agility. Basically…understanding how to play NBA defense with more physicality. Go outside the box & give it a shot. Whatever they’ve done up to now is certainly not working.
dunc and ty hopefully are not on this team.u watching these playoffs cant have them on team either of them.
neither not sure which is correct rc will let me know soon.
Good luck Caleb (op out), Thomas (opt out), Haywood (expiring) and Patty (expiring).
Hope to see Kevin, Josh, Delon, Jamal, Cole and Alondes return.
Need to trade Butler for younger player(s) and draft pick(s) (e.g., Mitchell, Siakim, Murray).
Need to explore trading Herro for frontcourt player (e.g., Collins, Kuzma, Miles Bridges).
Need to explore trading Robinson for big (e.g., Stewart, Valanciunas, Hartenstein).
Need to draft NBA ready player (Dalton Knecht, Devin Carter, Jared McCain, Zach Edey, Kel’el Ware, Kyle Filipowski).
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We are in a quandary. We will have trouble moving everyone but Jimmy for much back. The Heat are going to face the error of Pat’s ways this year. Losing Caleb is just the start. Now that we are on the sidelines missing out on the post season, a first round knockout, play-in team, with a 46-36 record, maybe the false buzz of unwarranted optimism of the direction this team is heading will finally wear off so some can see clearly what I saw all along ( I predicted everything, play-in, first round exit, and I said 45-37 record, one game off, and I said it 6 months ago).
I hear this, I trust in the Godfather garbage. Well, he is the one who got us here, and don’t talk about the past, talk about now, this year was underwhelming. His mistakes put us where we are. We have untradeable players with huge contracts, inefficient players who we can’t win with. The more we buy in, the deeper the quagmire will get.
Here is my new prediction, we will be irrelevant for a few years until we revamp our roster, get rid of the deadwood, get more athletic, start looking like the direction the rest of the league is going. And if Pat can’t change, get someone else.
Call me pessimistic, but don’t tell me I don’t love the Heat. There are times to criticize and that time is now.
Okay, I will say that you love the Heat, which is great. And, yes, I will call you pessimistic. There were any number of people here who were not looking at the team through rose colored glasses. I argued all season that not taking every game seriously was a mistake, and waiting for playoff Jimmy to come riding to the rescue was fool’s gold. However, to expect the team to be a contender every season is unrealistic. Things go in cycles. Look at who faltered, even some who experienced a period of success: Suns, Lakers, Warriors, and Heat (you can argue a few others as well). Some had elite players and were healthy. If, big if, Boston wins this year, it’ll be their first title in 16 years! The Knicks haven’t gotten past the second round in 24 years. The Wolves 20. Sixers 23. Pelicans, never.
There may have been some missed opportunities with personnel, but none of us know what conversations Riley had with other teams. And most contracts given would have been given if the player was on another team. Exceptions included the Lowry and Duncan contracts (though the Duncan contract seems somewhat reasonable at this point).
I believe that with or without Butler, the team will be competitive next year and beyond if the right moves are made. The draft and trading period will give us a better picture of the future. I remain optimistic.
I agree RC. You know what is ironic? Butler didn’t take the season or every game seriously. He only played 60 games and to be honest, he looked like he was “dogging it” in several of the games he did play. As a consequence, Miami wound up just one (1) game out of 5th place, two (2) games out of 4th place, three (3) games out of third place and four (4) games out of 2nd place. Jimmy was hurt in the play-in game against Philadelphia that Miami should have never been required to play, if they had won just 1 more game. Kind of a wierd Karma for Jimmy. If Miami wins one more game he doesn’t get hurt and Miami has a weaker first round opponent than Boston.
Sometimes, something negative must happen for a paradigm to change. Maybe what happened this season was the impetus required for a paradigm change in Miami. Maybe, just maybe, either Riley’s future vision of the Heat will evolve with the times or he will decide that he doesn’t want to go through the retooling process he has been postponing for so long. When Riley does retire, I wonder if Spo will be promoted to take his place and someone like Quinn will be promoted to Head Coach? Time will tell.
GO HEAT!!!
Thank you for responding to my deeply held compassionate venting. I truly wish I thought our future looked brighter. You made a good point about the cyclical nature of winning. No team can stay on top forever. And you can reload and retool for only so long, until you get cornered when moves get a little more limited and desperate, and mistakes are then made. And thus, you can make a difficult situation worse. Some missteps here were contracts related to player loyalty, and I think it’s fair to say, listening too much to your superstar. And, and some will disagree fairly, but I think we made some questionable draft picks too, even taking into account our position. So, maybe those moves hurt us some, made things a little worse, but really the cyclical nature of working under the salary cap is the biggest factor in our falling out of contention. If Pat figures out a way to fix this, get us back into contention, I will gladly eat my words, and I hope he does. But he will have to be Harry Houdini this time.
Here are 16 names that were picked before Jovic. I submit that there are at least 10 or 12 that have accomplished less than Jovic. And remember, he missed his first year with a back injury.
9. Spurs draft Jeremy Sochan (Baylor)
10. Wizards draft Johnny Davis (Wisconsin)
11. Knicks draft Ousmane Dieng (New Zealand Breakers) — Traded to OKC
14. Cavaliers draft Ochai Agbaji (Kansas)
15. Hornets draft Mark Williams (Duke)
Hawks draft A.J. Griffin (Duke)
17. Rockets draft Tari Eason (LSU)
18. Bulls draft Dalen Terry (Arizona)
19. Timberwolves draft Jake LaRavia (Wake Forest) — Traded to MEM
20. Spurs draft Malaki Branham (Ohio State)
21. Nuggets draft Christian Braun (Kansas)
22. Grizzlies draft Walker Kessler (Auburn) — Traded to MIN
23. Sixers draft David Roddy (Colorado State) — Traded to MEM
24. Bucks draft MarJon Beauchamp (G League Ignite)
25. Spurs draft Blake Wesley (Notre Dame)
26. Mavericks draft Wendell Moore Jr. (Duke) — Traded to MIN
Sochan, Braun, and Roddy have some kind of role in their teams. The rest, no. I believe Jovic could end up some day as should be top 10 pick in his draft.
And here are the 12 chosen before Jaquez. He has been as good or better than most. Lively at 12 has turned out to be a great pick for the Mavs. It’s ironic that they got him from OKC.
Magic draft Anthony Black (Arkansas)
7. Pacers draft Bilal Coulibaly (Metropolitans 92) – Traded to Wizards
8. Wizards draft Jarace Walker (Houston) – Traded to Pacers
9. Jazz draft Taylor Hendricks (UCF)
10. Mavericks draft Cason Wallace (Kentucky) – Traded to Thunder
11. Magic draft Jett Howard (Michigan)
12. Thunder draft Dereck Lively II (Duke) – Traded to Mavericks
13. Raptors draft Gradey Dick (Kansas)
14. Pelicans draft Jordan Hawkins (Connecticut)
15. Hawks draft Kobe Bufkin (Michigan)
16. Jazz draft Keyonte George (Baylor)
17. Lakers draft Jalen Hood-Schifino (Indiana)
I am just going to say straight up you make a good point. The draft after the first 5-10 picks is a crapshoot. Of course, to fully evaluate the choices it will take a few more years for any of them to emerge, as a few on the lists have a chance. But, your point is well made. There appear to be several wasted draft picks amongst the lists too.
Thanks. It’s easy to look the other way to see the ones that got away – most recently Maxey and Booker. That hurts. But as you point out, it can be a real crapshoot, even in the top 10. And, in the meantime, that #41 pick just won his third MVP in a row. Amazing.
Good convos here ⬆️
Great exchanges.
No franchise is perfect, obviously. But we had consecutively winning seasons with not much star power to show and almost won it all. Twice. I know almost doesn’t count still how many teams did that during this couple of decades stretch. Heat might be in for a rough stretch or they might have a good run again. As long as they show that culture grit I’m in for the ride…GO HEAT!!
I’m one of those dudes who’s very high on Niko and has been since the day he was drafted.
I love the kid’s game and believe that Pat struck gold with him, especially when it compares to where he was taken in the draft.
amen 30 my heat brother.pats been the savior of this org.louis schafel billy cunningham ucch.but this last year or two besides rozier there were lots players to be had and pat didnt reel them in for whatever reason.lets see what our beloved team looks like next year so will give pat a year to make up for couple bad years,everybody here at hhh wants the heat to win ,me and 30 dont sugarcoat it when theirs a problem.
The Panthers might need a parade route thru Broward County.
beat boston 1 time prob ny 4 times like dallas out west
Dallas will be tough, NY too, but we have a good chance against the Rangers. Dallas is pick-em.
It seems that Heat are close to the end of this road, and with Butlers extension would hit the wall at the end of that road.
So some kind of change will come soon, the question is what kind. I see three different options.
1. Keep the core together, make some corrections, motivate Butler and see what happens.
2. Replace Butler with another star, keep the rest of the core intact and see what happens.
3 Add another superstar, keep Butler and trade our youth and picks. Fill the rest of the rooster with minimal contracts. Its a championship or bust in 2025 and 2026.
I always prefer option no. 1, but I understand, that somebody else would prefer something else.
Still, I believe in all three cases the Heat will be a playoff team next year and a year after. I also dont believe, that Heat will win it all any time soon no matter which path forward will choose. And in case 2 and 3, Heat will be a terrible team in 2026 and 2027.
“ And in case 2 and 3, Heat will be a terrible team in 2026 and 2027.”
You mean option 1 and 3
Nope, I have in mind KD or similar level player of an age.
Step one seems the least likely to work, mostly because success depends so much on Jimmy. We have few assets, and limited salary to build around him adequately as he becomes more of a high quality complimentary player.
Steps two and three may not be realistic possibilities as we risk weakening ourselves too much in our attempts to strengthen our team. Or, we may not get as much value from our assets as we need.
We can only put bandages on our weaknesses for so long.
Look, what we need is some kind of rabbit out of a hat fleecing of another team like we did getting Butler. That is, in my mind, our only shot.
Make ur fts. If Mavs go on to lose the series they’ll look at gm 4. Could’ve gone up 3-1
mavs will win, luka and kyrie sucked and they almost won that wont happen again manila
Yeah I forgot you’re clairvoyant. Can happen but no one is really sure but im rooting for Mavs actually
i just root for the heat couldnt give a rats ass who wins.will watch all the games though and enjoy playoff bball.
Lots of people pick a favorite when their team is out of the playoffs. For me, I root for whoever plays against the Nuggets or Celtics, although I’m hoping the Cavs lose only because that should result in a disgruntled Mitchell. And that could be good for the Heat.
dramond green really good on tv
lukas the biggest crybaby in nba
Few mavs fans already talking about blowing it and trading luka.
That knee-jerk reaction really happens to everyone
Ikr, even with a generational talent I guess.
Luka for Jimmy+Dunc/Ty 😆
Hell yea, Luka with bam and Terry would be very scary .
very very few that aint happening big
okc has some thoroughbreds thats the type of ballers we need sunman
kyrie and luka stinking it up okc d has locked them down
ill remember him for his great great boston series and his out of control attempts to get to the rim.
Please do not make ur opinion as a general sweeping one making it sound like it represents the whole fan base?! Soooo absurd! It reeks of typical narcissist syndrome. Kinda sad actually.
So hope we get something good from Mr. Martin. Culture guy wishing you the best.
need better players than him sorry i hurt your feelings
Really really typical lol
need better players.lots of dead wood on this roster sunman needs to get bz
chet holmgren kinda clutzy looking.big diff between him and wemby.
It was fun while it lasted Mr. Martin, gonna miss you, but at least now, we can your minutes to a deserving young player.
give.cain aldonis williams intrigue me big.jjj niko gonna get more minutos
u can not get a layup vs dallas they will block it .if your not hitting your js versus them your in trouble.hope riley can build a wall aroung the rim like the dallas gm did