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Hanifan: It’s time for Heat to take a break from star chasing altogether

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The Miami Heat have consistently felt the need to star chase. But for once, it would be in their best interest not to. (Mandatory Credit: Carl Juste/Miami Herald/Tribune News Service via Getty Images)

Can you believe that it’s already been nearly 16 years since LeBron James’ infamous The Decision?

In July 2010, James quite literally altered the NBA, Miami Heat and his own career forever — all in one night. The buildup and announcement sent a euphoric shockwave around the globe, where many across South Florida roared while many others likely gave the bird to their TVs.

Nearly two decades later, the Miami Heat are still chasing that ecstasy that brought a pair of championship parades and two more Finals runs to Biscayne Bay. For four years, Miami was the city that never slept; the buzz never quieted, for better or worse. James wasn’t the only one. The “stars” have largely defined the Heat, from Tim Hardaway and Alonzo Mourning to Dwyane Wade, Shaquille O’Neal and Chris Bosh.

The word “star” is ingrained in the Miami Heat’s logo, if you look closely. To a fault of their own, they know no other way.

Most recently, Jimmy Butler pulled the Heat away from the doldrums of mediocrity in 2019, resulting in two more Finals appearances. Butler’s run was fun — very fun, actually. But his time soured like a carton of milk. Now that we’re over one year removed from his disgruntled exit, the Heat are back to square one: Chasing a star to pair alongside Bam Adebayo.

To some extent, there’s merit to chase a star. Miami doesn’t have one outside of Bam Adebayo. They are missing that key, elite centerpiece that many teams sought. In the annals of history, stars have driven title success.

However, how championship teams acquire said stars has changed.

Even though we’re only 16 years since James’ decision, stars don’t enter free agency anymore. Elite talents hit the trade market every so often, but for a price that’s too damning for a mediocre team to pay for short-term gain (i.e. James Harden to Nets; Kawhi Leonard/Paul George to Thunder). And if the price isn’t too high, it’s met the ire and alienation that Dallas Mavericks fans still resonate to this day with the Luka Doncic blockbuster.

Even non-elite — albeit very good — talents, such as Mikal Bridges and Desmond Bane, have unexpectedly gone for a haul of draft capital. With free agency dissolving, when stars are at — or near the peak of their powers — trading is the only palatable path to acquire them.

Though nowadays, the foremost route to supply talent before they reach that point is through the draft. The punitive aprons have only heightened the importance of the two-day spectacle. It’s the earliest time when teams invest stock in the league’s future building blocks, when they’re at their cheapest. Some drafts are better than others. Last year’s draft — spearheaded by Cooper Flagg and Dylan Harper — has already looked like a huge hit. This year’s class offers a similar amount of intrigue. We won’t know for another few years, though the signs are promising.

There was a time when free agency and “star chasing,” so to speak, outweighed the draft. But that tide has turned, and the pendulum has swung back the other way.

Yet, the Heat haven’t quite received that memo.

This summer’s comet appears to be Milwaukee Bucks superstar Giannis Antetokounmpo. The two-time MVP and his camp have teased a possible trade for the last several months. Still, though, no red button has been pushed. But the Bucks’ roster and lack of resources provide a limited opportunity for Antetokounmpo, who appeared in just 36 games last season, to compete for a championship, which he desires most.

Thus, the game of chicken continues. Although we know one team that won’t be afraid to scream “Polo” at the other end of the pool: The Heat.

To their own detriment, too.

Miami’s roof is leaking. The league is permeated with great young talent, yet Miami is still without a true building block alongside Adebayo. Kel’el Ware’s the closest they have. But his low motor brings into question whether his potential will be actualized, or whether it will be fool’s gold. Miami possesses a fairly average crop of young talent thereafter, buoyed by Jaime Jaquez Jr. and Pelle Larsson. It barely owns any second-round draft capital; it waited too long to recognize when it should have moved a slew of veterans (Norman Powell, Tyler Herro and Andrew Wiggins, among several others) and owns a limited stash of first-round draft capital.

Instead of fixing the roof, the Miami Heat keep trying to replace their … air conditioner?

Every building needs a functional AC. But the rest of the foundation also needs to be kept serviceable and habitable.

Alas, it’s time to fix the ****ing roof.

Not every team needs to star hunt to maintain relevance. Most don’t. But for the Heat, that’s been their only source the last half-decade, losing sight of what makes a championship team a championship team and how they’re constructed.

Instead, they’re chasing the euphoria felt 16 seasons ago. The most baffling proposition is how poorly they prepared for Giannis and every other star it’s pursued. Nevertheless, at the end of the day, it will be in their best interest to take a step back — figuratively and literally — and learn from its mistakes.

Time will tell if they do. And if they don’t, they’re going to continue being left behind by the rest of the league and, most importantly, the stars eluding them.

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heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago

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Tobin
45.6K subscribers

great listen for sunman

SunManFromDogBone
SunManFromDogBone
16 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

This was after the NBA’s investigation “cleared” Rozier of wrongdoing. Charlotte should return our 2027, pay Rozier’s 2025-2026 salary and also forfeit the 2026 second rounder as a penalty.

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago

this off season gonna be so entertaining,draft boring to me.philon yaxel carr know nothing about these cats.giannis kawhi ja know a little about

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago

spurs coaches voice doesnt match face hes got the herro disease.rc wont like this post

Reality Czech
Reality Czech
18 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

Nah, doesn’t bother me at all. I just think you’re a little weird about stuff like that

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago
Reply to  Reality Czech

he looks like hes 15 years old sounds 85

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago

wemby def best player in series.i wouldnt be surprised if spurs won they have the best player.go thunder

Reality Czech
Reality Czech
18 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

2 great teams, anything can happen.

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago

2 best words in sports go thunder

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago

tiricos great .e reids da best

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago

i always liked ko hes had a pony tail from day 1 i got one to

SunManFromDogBone
SunManFromDogBone
18 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

Ditto.

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago

kornett shtein good teams add the heat stand pat

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago

dorts got lots jovic in him this series

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago

jaylem williams needs a trim jeez

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago

rc we got the panthers and canes at least for satisfactiom

Reality Czech
Reality Czech
18 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

You’re concerned. I’m not. I’m a Heat fan. I don’t only jump on the bandwagon when they’re winning.

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago
Reply to  Reality Czech

canes grad 79 suffered 2o years of mediocrity were back.panthers got a few more chances for the cup theyre getting little old

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago
Reply to  Reality Czech

dolphins how many wins?

Reality Czech
Reality Czech
18 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

I start out every season optimistic and then after the first four or five games I realize that not much has changed

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago
Reply to  Reality Czech

malik willis big change

Reality Czech
Reality Czech
18 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

I hope they do well. I think they had a good draft.

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago
Reply to  Reality Czech

drafts are always good rc until thery actually play

Reality Czech
Reality Czech
18 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

That’s the way you see it

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago
Reply to  Reality Czech

how do u know how good these guys will be .i know u know hoops not sure about football

Reality Czech
Reality Czech
18 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

I usually gain more knowledge about pro and college football in preseason and then during the season. In the last preseasons, I liked Chop and Achane. I like the idea that Malik gives us a more mobile qb. I regret that we squandered our best receiving tandem since Duper and Clayton and now they’re both gone. I do not know a lot of specifics about the hockey and baseball teams.

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago
Reply to  Reality Czech

chops to small to play d end 3 downs,hes a one trick pony at best rush passer on 3rd downs.achanes great but small durability might be an issue hes already banged up.tyreek coming off major injury making boat load $$,bad character guy.we got a first for waddle,we shall see how the new cb turns out.u know in football qb determines your fate hope for the best for malik,baseball team irrelevant.panthers still have a chance for jewelry gotta stay healthy.the only way we’ll meet in next few years is at a panthers parade

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago

mccains okcs second best player he needs more pt

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago

game 7 sat night there goes my saturday night plans past 8pm.take wife out for early dinner bypass visiting mom

SunManFromDogBone
SunManFromDogBone
18 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

Invite mom. Kill two birds with one stone.

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago

93 sm has live in nurse ,she sleeps all day pretty much.at her age she wouldnt know the difference between a nikola jovic and a lebron james.,cant wait for game 7 hope i can watch it all.my wife knows not to get in my way.ive trained her well.go thunder f popacheat

Reality Czech
Reality Czech
18 days ago

Who said the Spurs wouldn’t win another game?

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago
Reply to  Reality Czech

ill bet okc to win it.rc versus your spurs

Reality Czech
Reality Czech
18 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

So you are taking the champions to win on their home court? Wow what a big risk taker you are!

Reality Czech
Reality Czech
18 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

And as I’ve stated previously more than once, though it doesn’t seem to sink in on you, is that I like both teams, and I expected Oklahoma to go back to back.

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago
Reply to  Reality Czech

what do u mean by u like both teams?

Reality Czech
Reality Czech
18 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

I like both San Antonio and Oklahoma

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago
Reply to  Reality Czech

and when they both sucked did u like them talk about frontrunner lol

Reality Czech
Reality Czech
18 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

Two years ago I suggested that we trade Butler to Oklahoma because I saw them as an up-and-coming team

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago
Reply to  Reality Czech

that would have been a good trade rc good foresight maybe we get our next sga from that

Reality Czech
Reality Czech
18 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

And San Antonio has been a team I’ve liked ever since the Pop era began.

Reality Czech
Reality Czech
18 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

The difference is that you are a frontrunner for the team that you try and convince everybody that is your favorite team.

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago
Reply to  Reality Czech

dolphins my fav team canes football 2 heat 3

Reality Czech
Reality Czech
18 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

I’ve been a Dolphins fan since 1970 and a Canes fan since I got down here in 1981, but the Heat are my favorite sports team.

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago
Reply to  Reality Czech

ok y a fins fan if u werent down here inquiring minds would like to know.shula fan ?wow thats when the canes got good in 81 u brought them luck

Reality Czech
Reality Czech
18 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

I became a fan when they got my favorite receiver, Paul Warfield.

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago
Reply to  Reality Czech

did u know wemby would be this good at beginning of year…ive never seen a guy have such an impact on a game hes the best player ive ever seen.not sure what his legacy will turn out to be how long he will play but hes the most impactful player ive ever seen.its virtually impossible to get a layup with him on ct.

Reality Czech
Reality Czech
18 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

He was predicted to be a truly generational player in that draft. And he is.

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago

pat u had your chance with prime jimmy ,too late now old man.

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago

wemby harper castle vassell johnson .heat might as well stop operations for 5-8 years

2qbn
2qbn
18 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

lol they haven’t even won one yet. Relax

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago
Reply to  2qbn

where does the heat fit in in next 5 years hopefully niko improves

Reality Czech
Reality Czech
18 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

We can text you when they become relevant again so you can jump back on the bandwagon.

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago
Reply to  Reality Czech

ill watch the games for a while but when i see them mediocre ill watch more panthers and wheel of fortune and jeopardy

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago

dylan harper having a jimmy playoff game

Iknowtoomuch
Iknowtoomuch
18 days ago

Optic alert! Anyone notice the scenery behind Spurs bench? The song “Brickhouse” comes to mind. Wow!

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago
Reply to  Iknowtoomuch

u must not be from miami the few heat games i was at girls girls girls

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago

darian fox playing like jovic this series hes been niko bad

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago

this bryant guy is a dum ars player

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago

this looks like a home ct series now,

2qbn
2qbn
18 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

Combined with a refs series. Will they keep calling flopfest 2026 for OKC?

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago
Reply to  2qbn

u give the knicks a shot?

2qbn
2qbn
18 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

Unfortunately, I do.

It will be interesting storylines with the Knicks blowing past teams and getting lots of extra rest. Will that help them be the fresher team or will it be an issue if they are tested and find themselves in a game 6 and 7 situation? Is the length of the series the west teams are in be a hinderance or will the experience, and consistent playing, benefit them? I could see both sides which makes it interesting.

Last edited 18 days ago by 2qbn
heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago
Reply to  2qbn

unfortunately lol.i cant see the knicks competing with these athletes.and skill(wemby sga)

2qbn
2qbn
18 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

If it was Spurs I think the Knicks have more league experience, while both having no Finals experience. With OKC they are defending, so experience not an issue, but they’re banged up a bit. That could be a potential issue.

I’ll be watching and rooting against the Knicks lol

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago
Reply to  2qbn

knicks spurs id root for knicks

2qbn
2qbn
18 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

Because you’re not a true Heat fan and still a closet NY fan. I would root for Mavs and Cuban over the Knicks. 😉

Reality Czech
Reality Czech
18 days ago
Reply to  2qbn

Yup, the truth comes out 😆

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago
Reply to  Reality Czech

how can a heat fan root for the spurs.i dont give a f who wins if its not the heat but the last teams id like to win spurs nyk boston cs

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago
Reply to  2qbn

thats def not true sir no im not a knicks fan they banned me from their website taliking crape about them .when the spurs turned the ac off i thought that was on purpose.i hate pop s belichicish personality and the spurs.cheating and also getting dunc admiral alien knicks second most hated team on hfls list go okc

Reality Czech
Reality Czech
18 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

LOL! Join the flat earth society while you’re at it. 😆😆😆😆

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago
Reply to  Reality Czech

how bout kyrie for the heat

Reality Czech
Reality Czech
18 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

No

SunManFromDogBone
SunManFromDogBone
18 days ago

The deadline for players to withdraw from the NBA draft passed on Wednesday night. One post deadline Mock Draft has Miami selecting Cameron Carr with the 13th pick, presuming players such as Philon, Lendeborg and Ament are already gone.

Miami Heat: Cameron Carr, SF, Baylor. Carr will be an interesting case because he could go in the back end of the Top 10, or he could slide to the 20s. Scouts are split here. Many believe his off-ball ability will translate to the NBA. He is 6-foot-5 with a 7-foot-1 wingspan and good shooting ability–he has the raw tools teams are looking for, and has noticeably improved over time. “I think he is moving up the more NBA people get a closer look at him,” one personnel man said. “He’s not your No. 1 option but he can be a really good No. 3 as a rookie, and a No. 2 in time.”

Reality Czech
Reality Czech
18 days ago

Cam Carr would be a solid pick

Last edited 18 days ago by Reality Czech
2qbn
2qbn
18 days ago
Reply to  Reality Czech

That’s my guy if the Heat were to pick. Of players that would be in the Heat’s area to pick he’s in my top 2.

Reality Czech
Reality Czech
18 days ago
Reply to  2qbn

My order would be Yaxel, Carr/Philon, Mara/Steinbach/Johnson. All are possible or likely to be available at 13.

2qbn
2qbn
18 days ago
Reply to  Reality Czech

I love Yaxel, but his ceiling is probably not as high, but his floor is significantly higher. He would be plug n play on the first day. I can easily see a solid, steady career for that guy.

Big_guy305
17 days ago
Reply to  2qbn

He’s in my top 4, for me it’s philon,brayden,yaxel,then carr.

SunManFromDogBone
SunManFromDogBone
18 days ago

Awaiting for approval?

Last edited 18 days ago by SunManFromDogBone
Reality Czech
Reality Czech
18 days ago

If it contains links to media sites or player profiles, or sometimes even quotation marks, you can get that. I once got an approval about 3 days later.

SunManFromDogBone
SunManFromDogBone
18 days ago
Reply to  Reality Czech

Even highlighted names triggers it. Once I see it is awaiting approval, I cut it and paste it as new post (minus highlighted items or quotation marks) and replace it with one liners such as the one above.

Reality Czech
Reality Czech
17 days ago

Yes, because the highlighted names are links. I also backspace them and type in the name.

SunManFromDogBone
SunManFromDogBone
18 days ago

Interesting facts:

Per Statmuse:

Jaime Jaquez Jr is the first bench player in NBA history with

1,000+ PTS
300+ REB
300+ AST
50+ 3P

in a season.

Jaime Jaquez Jr.’s upcoming rookie-scale contract extension is projected to be worth around $90 million over four years, with some projections reaching as high as $245 million for a full five-year maximum deal. He can begin negotiating an extension on July 1st.

Pelle Larsson is set to become eligible this summer for a contract extension worth up to $93 million over four years. Larsson can also officially begin extension talks with Miami on July 6, once the Heat exercises the team option on his contract before the June 29 deadline.

Last edited 18 days ago by SunManFromDogBone
SunManFromDogBone
SunManFromDogBone
18 days ago

By the way, do you know what Giannis will cost the Heat, besides Herro, Ware, Jaquez, 3 draft picks and 2-3 pick swaps?

Because he has a player option for the 2027–28 season, his exact extension options depend on how he structures his current deal:

  • Option 1 (Decline Option): On October 1, he becomes eligible to decline his current player option and sign a four-year, $275 million contract extension with Miami (or any other team).
  • Option 2 (Exercise Option): If he opts in for his $62.8 million salary in the 2026–27 season, he could then sign a three-year, $213.6 million extension.
heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago

4 275 wow almost 70 mil a year.whats wembys deal gonna look like .gonna have to raise salary cap

SunManFromDogBone
SunManFromDogBone
18 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

Less and less $ available to pay the rest of the team.

heat for life
heat for life
18 days ago

true but thats the sacrifice u have to make for a top 5 player,hes twice the player bam is making only 1 1/2 x bams salary.bams overpaid

2qbn
2qbn
18 days ago

I’ve been doing some random “research” into potential options if the trade goes through. So considering limited amount of money, and focusing on legit options and not wishing upon a star, I can see some interesting configurations of a team.

This is if we keep Kaspar and Pelle. If we resign Powell because we trade Herro, fine. Personally, I would try to get Grimes from 76ers with the mid-level instead of Powell. Younger, cheaper, is still blossoming, and can come close to replicating those numbers if given the opportunity. Now you can start Grimes or Pelle in backcourt next to Kaspar or DMitch if not traded. Then look to take the money you saved resigning Powell and split it among other solid contributors like a Bruce Brown. Bring him home to college team city and he knows how to play his role along stars and get his and contribute. Go and try to steal Sandro Mamukelashvili from Toronto as the big off the bench Can give similar Ware numbers and hit the 3 off the bench. Can play with Bam or Giannis when one sits. You would still have money for another solid guy.

So Bam-Giannis-Wiggins-Grimes/Pelle-Kaspar/DMitch
Bench: Sandro, Pelle, Bruce Brown and another player or big. That doesn’t consider Niko making a Jaquez-like turnaround.

I’m not saying it would win the title, but as the 1st iteration, a lot more solid and potential than most would think by reading some of the posts on what we would look like. As things across the league develop during the first season you could move and improve.

Just spitballing here.

Last edited 18 days ago by 2qbn
2015Heat
2015Heat
18 days ago
Reply to  2qbn

That team would be a serious contender in the East. Think the Giannis trade is a home run and somehow keeping both Pelle and Jaku would make that even more the case. Both have real upside to improve and could turn that team from an East contender into a Finals contender.

Heat’s #13 pick is sitting there as the best single asset available to Milwaukee, they could start a rebuild with #10 and #13 in a deep draft.

Big_guy305
17 days ago
Reply to  2qbn

Not to mention we could still get someone else from the buyout market. Also you can bring in Hardaway Jr back to Miami for possibly a vet min, and we would still have Myron, Johnson, and dru too.

Last edited 17 days ago by Big_guy305
heat for life
heat for life
19 days ago

amy audibet studio guest for wnba shows.(usa net)they got her looking much hotter than the heat had her

2qbn
2qbn
19 days ago

The Miami Heat could consider pivoting to pursuit of another star player should they fail to acquire Giannis Antetokounmpo from the Milwaukee Bucks, the South Florida Sun-Sentinel‘s Ira Winderman said in a Wednesday appearance on 104.3 WQAM.

Winderman said he feels the Heat are “primed to make a deal” due to an abundance of young players including Nikola Jovic, Pelle Larsson and Kasparas Jakucionis.

“Honestly, if they get a signal it’s not going to be Giannis, I think they explore Kawhi [Leonard]. I think they explore Ja [Morant],” Winderman said. “You can’t get stale, especially in this market.”

oregoner
oregoner
18 days ago
Reply to  2qbn

This team done been stale. The question is whether they’ll get fully rotten.

Not sure about Ja. They had a chance at him last trade deadline and passed. Same with Durant last offseason. Not sure why they haven’t made moves recently, and I’m not sure what will be different this offseason. But we’ll see

SunManFromDogBone
SunManFromDogBone
19 days ago

“Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.”
~ Aldous Huxley ~

Did you know:

  • Kel’el Ware, at 22, (DOB:4/20/04), will be around long after Giannis (DOB:12/6/94) has retired?
  • Ware, in only his second year, ended up tied with Evan Mobley for the 9th highest rpg average in the NBA, despite playing only 22 mpg?
  • Ware had the highest 3 point % among all NBA centers (39.5%)?
  • Ware’s playing time, if increased by 50% (from 22 to 33 mpg ), equates to approximatley 50% more ppg and rpg. That equals 16.5ppg/13.5rpg/39.5% 3pt%. At 13.5 rpg, Ware would be the NBA’s top rebounder.
  • Ware would be a lottery pick if the 2024 class were re-drafted
  • Ware has two more seasons left on his rookie contract at a total cost of $11.8M?

Did you know:

  • Jaime Jaquez was the highest scoring 6th man in the NBA?
  • Jaquez tied with Wiggins for the 4th highest ppg on the team (15.4%)?
  • Jaquez was the third highest rebounder on the team (5.0 rpg)
  • Jaquez would be a lottery pick if the 2023 class were re-drafted?
  • Jaquez has one more year left on his rookie contract at a cost of $5.9M?

Did you know:

  • If Miami trades Herro, Ware and Jaquez to Milwaukee and does not extend Wiggins or Powell, the Heat will lose 5 of its top 7 scorers, leaving Bam (20.1 ppg) and Larsson 11.4 ppg).

Did you know:

  • The NBA Board of Governors will vote on the 3-2-1 lottery reform proposal tomorrow allowing teams that finish higher in the standings not only a higher chance of getting a top draft pick, but better odds of landing the No. 1 selection. Translation: any of the 3 proposed first round picks or 2 proposed pick swaps Miami trades to Milwaukee could turn out being #1 picks.
  • Consequently, teams will be far more cautious about parting with first-round picks, to the point where some suitors could bow out of the Giannis sweepstakes before they even officially begin, in order to keep their draft picks.

Did you know:

  • Herro could bring a good return if traded to one of the NBA teams most in need of his elite outside shooting to bolster their offenses (e.g., Detroit, Houston and Sacramento). In addition to player(s), Miami could likely secure a first round pick in such a trade.
  • Such a pick, when combined with the Heat’s 2026 lottery pick and second round pick, plus a 2027 lottery pick, could quickly infuse new young talent into the roster.
  • With the cap space available in 2027, Miami could have more ammo if it decides to pursue a ss (or two) next summer.
2015Heat
2015Heat
19 days ago

Miami defensive rebounding this year: 74.9% (#8)

Miami DRB% with Ware on court : 72.3 (#25)
Miami DRB% with Ware off court: 77.0 (#2)

Miami might be the #1 defensive rebounding team in the league next year with Giannis in for Ware

SunManFromDogBone
SunManFromDogBone
19 days ago
Reply to  2015Heat

I noticed you didn’t address offensive rebounds, total rebounds or average rebounds per minute. Keep in mind that Giannis is a 13 year veteran, Bam is a 9 year veteran and Kel’el is a 2 year veteran.

  • Ware averaged 2.8 offensive and 6.2 defensive rebounds per game
  • Ware was 8th in NBA in total offensive rebounds and 10th in total defensive rebounds in 22.1 mpg
  • Bam averaged 2.0 offensive and 8.0 defensive rebounds per game
  • Bam was 15th in NBA in total offensive rebounds and 5th in total defensive rebounds in 32.4 mpg

Overall, Miami was

  • 4th in total rebounds,
  • 9th in offensive rebounds and
  • 4th in defensive rebounds

Ware 9.0 rebounds in 22.1 minutes .407 rebounds per minute
Bam 10.0 rebounds in 32.4 minutes .309 rebounds per minute
Giannis 9.78 rebounds in 28.9 minutes .339 rebounds per minute

heat for life
heat for life
19 days ago

ware is an excellent rebounder.hes almost as long as wemby.give him 35 mins a game he might lead the league in rebounding.his defense and offense not sure where it will wind up to be.

SunManFromDogBone
SunManFromDogBone
19 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

Exactly. If he is traded he will come back and bite Miami right square in the @$$.

Reality Czech
Reality Czech
19 days ago

Bravo!

2015Heat
2015Heat
19 days ago

The Heat were -1 with Ware on the court, +5.2 with him off. That’s the single reason he played only 22 mpg. He was still 7th on the team in total minutes.

Heat’s rebounding with Ware vs Bam:

Ware: -4.7 DRB%, +3.6 ORB%, -0.1 TRB%
Bam: +6.8 DRB%, -1.4 ORB%, +2.3 TRB%

Defensive rebounding is more important than offensive rebounding, and Ware’s offensive rebounds didn’t offset the negative impact (going from best to worst, #2 to #25) on defensive rebounding when he was in the game.

2qbn
2qbn
19 days ago

I was told we have no assets and our trade package sucks. 🙂

SunManFromDogBone
SunManFromDogBone
19 days ago
Reply to  2qbn

Don’t believe everything you hear or half of what you see.

heat for life
heat for life
19 days ago

are u watching spurs okc can u see him on the ct with these guys lol

SunManFromDogBone
SunManFromDogBone
19 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

Two years from now with 25-30 added lbs and more confidence and experience. Yes.

heat for life
heat for life
19 days ago

i was talking about tyler zerro defense not ware.i believe in order for ware to succeed he cant be paired with bam just doesnt work on the offensive end.

SunManFromDogBone
SunManFromDogBone
19 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

It doesn’t work because Spo won’t let it. He loves small ball and doesn’t have the patience to let Ware develop. If anything, Spo is stunting his growth. Spo doesn’t appear to care if Bam prefers to play PF and is best suited for that position. If Miami brings in Giannis, Bam will be stuck playing C for the next few years.

It is very shortsighted not to play your top rookies as much as possible so they can reach their full potentials in the shortest possible time frames. If Ware doesn’t succeed in Miami, I won’t be blaming him.

2qbn
2qbn
19 days ago

Serious revisionist history. Spo one on one with Whiteside brought out the best version of Hassan. Whiteside is on record stating Spo working with him allowed him to get that contract, which several other teams were waiting to give if he did not resign with Miami. It worked because Hassan was hungry. Once he got the contract that was another story.

Ware can be the best version of himself here if he stays. It’s up to him just like it’s up to Niko to earn his new deal.

2015Heat
2015Heat
19 days ago
Reply to  2qbn

Whiteside is a really good comparison – same standing reach (9’5″) as Ware (9’4.5″). A successful 10 year NBA career on one hand, also an example of how block and rebound numbers don’t equate to rebounding and defensive impact.

In 2016 Whiteside led the NBA in blocks, made 2nd team All-Defense and finished 3rd in DPOY voting but the Heat were a point worse on defense when Whiteside was on court (105.1) vs off (104.2).

In 2017 he led the NBA in total rebounds and defensive rebounds, and the Heat were better in DRB% when he played but 3 points worse on defense (108.3 on vs 105.4 off)

In 2018 he averaged 2x more defensive rebounds per game than Bam (8.2 vs 3.8), and 4.8 more per 36, but the Heat had a lower DRB% with Whiteside playing (79%, still good/#5) than with Bam (81.7%, #1). They were a slightly worse defensive rebounding team when Whiteside was in (-0.2 DRB% in his minutes) despite him leading the team in total, per game, per 36 defensive rebounds

SunManFromDogBone
SunManFromDogBone
18 days ago
Reply to  2015Heat

Maybe Ware should be traded to a team where a good coach can bring the best out of him if Spo can’t. Herro, Jaquez and Ware plus the 2026 lottery pick could probably be enough to snag Kahwi.

2015Heat
2015Heat
18 days ago

At the draft Miami was viewed as the ideal landing spot for Ware because of Spo. Ware’s predraft comparison was Christian Wood – talented stretch 5 but not a good defender. Wood played 8 years and averaged 20/10 one year. A good NBA career but not in the same conversation as Bam, let alone Giannis.

Last edited 18 days ago by 2015Heat
SunManFromDogBone
SunManFromDogBone
18 days ago
Reply to  2015Heat

I don’t where you are getting your information, but here’s what I found when I Googled the following:

“Kel’el Ware 2024 pre-draft profiles and nba player comparisons”

NBA Player Comparisons

  • Jarrett Allen: The most common comparison, highlighting Ware’s elite length, shot-blocking, and above-the-rim finishing in the pick-and-roll.
  • Myles Turner: Compared favorably for his ability to both protect the rim defensively and space the floor as a 7-foot shooter.
  • Chris Bosh: Often cited as a ceiling comparison because of their matching physical dimensions and nearly identical standout collegiate statistical profiles (points, rebounds, blocks, and three-point shooting percentages)
2qbn
2qbn
18 days ago

And yet he didn’t go top 10 because those comps deserve top 5 if not top 3. Why? The same issue we are seeing now. I hope he finds that inner “Beast” like his tat says because that is Wemby Jr.

SunManFromDogBone
SunManFromDogBone
18 days ago
Reply to  2qbn

That’s what I see in Ware a “Wemby Lite.”

SunManFromDogBone
SunManFromDogBone
18 days ago
Reply to  2qbn

You can say the same about Jakucionis. He was commonly compared to players such as Spencer Dinwiddie, Goran Dragić, and Tyrese Haliburton and projected to be a mid-late lottery pick. Miami was able to draft him with #20 pick.

2qbn
2qbn
18 days ago

If I recall, without double checking, I believe teams got scared off by a drop in 3pt % and increase in TO’s. The Heat didn’t even work him out. I’m glad because I buy Jakucionis as a top 10 talent at minimum, which is why he’s tops on my list to keep in a Giannis trade because he pairs better with Bam and Giannis than Ware. I can’t see Ware on the court with Bam and Giannis at the same time, though I can see him on when one is out.

SunManFromDogBone
SunManFromDogBone
18 days ago
Reply to  2qbn

If Miami trades for Giannis, Ware will be included as part of it. Herro, Ware and Jaquez, Larsson or Jakucionis, depending on who Bucks prefer.

2qbn
2qbn
18 days ago

I think it would be 3 guys and picks due to contract renewal and other potential factors like legit offers from other teams, plus the Bucks can only take back so many players. I can see a deal where we keep Pelle and Dragon Jr if nobody else offers the farm.

2015Heat
2015Heat
18 days ago

Wood was a frequent comparison for Ware before the draft. From Sam Vecenie’s draft guide:

His engagement and motor, despite improvement this year, are still worries;

I buy his talent, but I worry that he ends up in the Christian Wood zone — an incredibly talented player who doesn’t consistently help NBA teams win games;
https://www.reddit.com/r/heat/comments/1dpgpko/kelel_wares_strengths_and_weaknesses_as_outlined/

Reality Czech
Reality Czech
19 days ago
Reply to  2qbn

You are correct. Spo got the best out of him, but I disliked the size of the contract from the beginning. He was more for stats than anything else and was a whiner. He played for minimum contracts before and after his time with the team. As with a number of other players, his best years were with the Heat.

SunManFromDogBone
SunManFromDogBone
18 days ago
Reply to  Reality Czech

OK then it’s decided. Package Herro, Ware and Jaquez and bring in Morant.

SunManFromDogBone
SunManFromDogBone
18 days ago
Reply to  2qbn

It isn’t up to Ware if he stays. His name is openly being included in the proposed Giannis trade. I know there are several good NBA coaches who could help Kel’el be all he can be if Spo can’t.

Re: Whiteside, you can say the same thing about Spo developing the Johnson brothers, the “gummy bear” dude, Jovic and others. Niko doesn’t need to earn jack any more, he’s already got his 4 year/$62.4M guaranteed contract in hand. Now it’s up to Spo to try to squeeze the productivity out of him to justify the contract.

Speaking of Niko, I sure do hope Riley doesn’t think he can place a higher standard on Jaquez for a contract extension than what he placed on Jovic. If so, I can see Jaime turning down an extension and walking when his rookie contract expires.

Unlike Herro, I don’t think Jaquez would appreciate being traded to Milwaukee. He’s not from there. SoCal, S. F. or Phoenix would be much more preferable locations (especially L..A). since he is from there. Maybe he (Herro and Ware) can be sent to the Clippers in a Kahwi trade if/when the Giannis trade falls through…again.
GO HEAT!

vagibugi
vagibugi
19 days ago

Disagree.

He played the minutes he earned. He was terrible at times. Maybe it happened 2-3 times during last season when he sits when he shouldn’t, but there was logic in it.

Ware on this stage of career needs an occasional kick in the ass, or sit a bit to get his act together.

And don’t bring out Jovic for comparison. He should sit all season long. He played only because of his future contract.

SunManFromDogBone
SunManFromDogBone
18 days ago
Reply to  vagibugi

The jury is still out on Ware, although I see considerable potential, if he is handled properly.

Niko’s contract was premature and is looking like it may have been (another) big mistake by Riley.

2qbn
2qbn
18 days ago

It was premature but it seemed like they were trying to get ahead of a potential breakout. Since it didn’t come it looks brutal. But it’s not as insane as you would think. Take a look at his stats from last year. If I was to round up and down on Wiggins stats this year (15-5-3) and look at Niko from last year (11-4-3), while also acknowledging Wiggins had a slightly better 3pt%, and is a better defender, Wiggins made $28 million and has a $30 million player option. Do you think the difference in stats is worth twice as much?

Also, this is just a random hunch from watching Niko, but he seems to play better when there is a certain kind of player leading the team. He showed out when playing with Joker, and his growth came while playing with Jimmy for most of last year. Jimmy even took him under his wing. I could legit see Niko back, or slightly better, on a team with Giannis. Again, jmo with no real facts to back it, only my eyes, which are definitely worse than HFL 😛 😛

vagibugi
vagibugi
18 days ago
Reply to  2qbn

I would say that he wont play much with Giannis or even Bam, because they share similar playing style (bigs which plays point).

I think JJJ takes away his game. With JJJ gone and the ball more in his hands, he can be better. Add better 3p shooting and better finishing, and we have solid role player earning his money.

I hope for the best.

SunManFromDogBone
SunManFromDogBone
18 days ago
Reply to  vagibugi

If anyone needs a kick in the ass it’s Niko.

Last edited 18 days ago by SunManFromDogBone
vagibugi
vagibugi
18 days ago

Agree.

SunManFromDogBone
SunManFromDogBone
18 days ago
Reply to  vagibugi

The future has arrived on Niko’s contract. The Benjamins start rolling in effective July 1st. Life is good. Here’s what he did to deserve the extension, per an Oct 1, 2025 article in cbssports:

  • He finished last season averaging a career-high 10.7 points on 37% from 3-point range, though for the third consecutive year he struggled to stay healthy and was limited to just 46 games. He’s yet to play at least 50 games in a season during his career, but when healthy he’s shown promise of being a quality role player next to Bam Adebayo and Tyker Herro. 

I honestly don’t know what Riley was thinking when he offered Jovic this contract extension. He missed another 35 games after the extendion was signed. In his 4 years with the Heat, Niko has played 154 total games, an average of 38.50 games per season. The most games he has played in any season is 47.

Riley has made several questionable contract decisions over the past few years. Niko’s is just one of them. Maybe it is time for Pat to hang em up.

P.S. There should be an age limit on U.S. Presidents and NBA GMs.

vagibugi
vagibugi
18 days ago

I dont disagee.

Hothothoopsfan4life
Hothothoopsfan4life
19 days ago

What part of this do you people not get there’s no shortcut to returning to glory. It’s going to take a soft rebuild (finding our new franchise cornerstone) for us to do anything. The Heat front office knows this as well, they’re just trying to make a trade so they can sell tickets.

SunManFromDogBone
SunManFromDogBone
19 days ago

AKA “misdirection”
“You can fool some people sometimes, but you can’t fool all the people all the time.”
~ Bob Marley 1973 ~

Reality Czech
Reality Czech
19 days ago

Many people look forward to getting Giannis. Some look forward to building through the draft and acquisitions. What I look forward to most of all is getting to the draft on June 23 and 24 so we can learn what is really going to happen. All of the speculation and rationalizations prove nothing, and will change no one’s mind. Speculation is always a part of the offseason, but this one already feels like the longest offseason ever.

heat for life
heat for life
19 days ago
Reply to  Reality Czech

its sports.keeps the heat in topic 12 months of the year

Reality Czech
Reality Czech
19 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

This topic is useless once everyone has made their position clear, and everyone has. What sense is it, for example, for you and I to go back and forth for the next 4 weeks? I know how you see it and you know how I see it. Giannis in a Heat uniform? Great. And I’ll look forward to who they surround him with. Not traded to the Heat? Fine. I’ll look forward to who the new players are, who returns, and who is brought in.

2qbn
2qbn
19 days ago
Reply to  Reality Czech

Both routes require massive amounts of luck. Lebron, who is arguably the best player ever, probably worst case top 5, also playing 23 years, has 4 titles. Crazy difficult and luck out the wazoo needed.

I just want to be back in the mix where you are in a position for things to go your way.

vagibugi
vagibugi
19 days ago
Reply to  Reality Czech

All that was obvious long time ago, so a debate about Giannis, trades, drafts is like beating the dead horse.

I m not very excited about Giannis, but I understand we need his level of player to go anywhere.

Zachary Kap
Zachary Kap
19 days ago
Reply to  vagibugi

KD on the Nets, Suns, and Rockets. Kawhi on the Clippers. James Harden anywhere. Joel on the 76ers.

Plenty of star players can’t carry a team to a finals, let alone win won. Trading for an old , injured player and expecting to complete is just as foolish as assuming we’ll land a franchise corner stone in the draft.

The difference is, if you fail in the draft you have next year. If you fail with your superstar that you sold the farm for, you have to wait 5.

Last edited 19 days ago by Zachary Kap
vagibugi
vagibugi
19 days ago
Reply to  Zachary Kap

as I already mentioned on some other plaxe, there is less then 10 players in the league, which gives you shot to win it all. None at that above is on that list. Giannis is still one of those players.

No team without one of Wemby, SGA, Jokic, Luka,Cade, Curry, Tatum, Giannis will win championship.

If one player of those is available, you go for it.

2qbn
2qbn
19 days ago
Reply to  vagibugi

Giannis also fits on Bam’s timeline.

SunManFromDogBone
SunManFromDogBone
18 days ago
Reply to  2qbn

It seems as though everyone is forgetting that forr the Giannis trade to work, Miami players being traded (e.g., Herro and Jaquez) will need to buy into it and accept extensions. Otherwise, zilch…nada.

2qbn
2qbn
18 days ago

Not really. Herro will want a solid contract, but the Bucks can turn around and trade them again, especially before trade deadline, and snag more assets or picks. But none of them will be owed a contract the size of Giannis, so several teams would absolutely be interested if the Bucks were interested in flipping them.

SunManFromDogBone
SunManFromDogBone
18 days ago
Reply to  2qbn

Sounds complicated. Sure sends a strong message to Heat’s young players not to get too comfortable in Miami.

Reality Czech
Reality Czech
19 days ago
Reply to  vagibugi

No doubt that Giannis is a special talent. My admiration for him was high and went even higher when he got upset with his coach for not allowing him to play. A player who has a strong desire to play even when his team has been eliminated from contention is my kind of player. However, if you bring him here, you do so for only one reason – to win a championship. You do not bring him here to only be a top 4 seed or just to get to the ecf. At a minimum, you MUST get at least to the finals in his time here. Anything short of that would be a huge failure at a very steep price. It should be no different than the expectations that existed when LeBron came here. And LeBron and Co met that expectation with 4 straight finals and 2 championships.

2qbn
2qbn
18 days ago
Reply to  Reality Czech

I think we can agree it would be Giannis’ expectation as well. But he is due a new contract, so just like Jimmy’s time here, as well as Lebron, the first iteration of the team won’t be “the team.” The Heat traded for Crowder and Iggy and that team would have won bubble Finals if Bam and Goran don’t get hurt. Then they tinkered more and surrounded him with some players that fit their mold and did what they were told and made it with guys like Martin, Vincent and Struss.

The point is if it happens the roster at the start of year 1 won’t be the team. But they will get to an iteration that will absolutely make an ECF with a huge chance to make the Finals and win, health permitting.

vagibugi
vagibugi
18 days ago
Reply to  2qbn

Probably. The real contender should be 27/28 Heat team.

Bout30man
18 days ago
Reply to  2qbn

Good comments. You have a good grasp of the Heat from a historical perspective. I can tell by your comments about Whiteside and other comments going back to before the Wade era and every iteration thereafter.

Last edited 18 days ago by Bout30man
Reality Czech
Reality Czech
18 days ago
Reply to  Bout30man

2qbn is one of the originals here, maybe before me, when we had rocket sprocket, macaroni overlord, even before JNicho. Oregoner was here too, under a different handle at the time.

vagibugi
vagibugi
18 days ago
Reply to  Reality Czech

All legends.

Reality Czech
Reality Czech
18 days ago
Reply to  2qbn

No problem. I would not expect 3-4 straight finals. But if they go all in and get him and don’t win a championship, it would represent a major failure.

vagibugi
vagibugi
18 days ago
Reply to  Reality Czech

Yes, the goal then should be a championship, which mean trade everything, even your future for right players, spend all money is needed, creat most expensive team in history.. window is 2, 3 seasons, nothing more.

This is a win now all in move.

Sharkey
Sharkey
18 days ago
Reply to  Reality Czech

Of course you go for a player like Giannis if you have a chance. The question is at what price? Do you sacrifice all (most of) your young talent and all future draft picks (which are more valuable now)? Even if you have Bam and Giannis, it’s not enough. Look at OKC and Spurs. Their rosters are deep. You can’t beat them with a rotation of 6-7 players. How do we get those players, if we sell our present and our future for Giannis? But no doubt they will go after Giannis, this is what Riley does, he will not wait 5 years to complete a rebuild with uncertain outcome. You are right that this feels like the longest off season ever. I don’t like these speculations about possible trades, everyone has their opinion, but that’s about it, we don’t make the calls. Lets see how it plays out. Meanwhile I will entertain myself with other things.

SunManFromDogBone
SunManFromDogBone
18 days ago
Reply to  Zachary Kap

Exactly. Desperate people do desperate impulsive things which have long term ramifications. There’s a whole lot of desperate people around here these days.

Iknowtoomuch
Iknowtoomuch
19 days ago

The successful teams are playing chess…while Heat continue to play checkers.

SunManFromDogBone
SunManFromDogBone
18 days ago
Reply to  Iknowtoomuch

…or playing with themselves…

oregoner
oregoner
20 days ago

I don’t understand what alternative they have. They certainly can’t run it back. So unless you’re suggesting the Heat blow it up for future picks (something they’ve literally never done before), chasing a star is basically their only option. Get Giannis now, and clear the books to get Mitchell next offseason

vagibugi
vagibugi
19 days ago
Reply to  oregoner

no Mitchell.

oregoner
oregoner
18 days ago
Reply to  vagibugi

i think you missed the point of that comment

vagibugi
vagibugi
18 days ago
Reply to  oregoner

Probably. What was the point?

Bout30man
20 days ago

The web Pat has woven has wrapped in on him so deeply he can only flail around like a trapped bug that slips deeper into this trap of his own making. Getting out of the mistakes he has made, and the ground he has lost, and the talent he has wasted, and the albatrosses he has kept, and the picks he had squandered, and the money he has thrown away, is going to take a Houdini-esque level of subterfuge to find some new path to relevance.

With all this talk we do about this possible move or that one, let’s just hope that even a little of it comes to pass. If Pat could even come close to the strongly worded message he put out during that presser he gave about a month ago, it wiuld be a wonderful thing. Still, talk is cheap and getting something accomplished is how Riley should be evaluated. Taking everything into account, the mediocre roster, the salaries, the limited draft capital, the small amount of apron space, and the possible loss of some of our best players, it’s hard to be buoyantly optimistic.

Let’s hope this isn’t our summer of discontent.

Last edited 20 days ago by Bout30man
TheBigRagu
TheBigRagu
20 days ago

If the Heat stop chasing a star player, then we might as well stop chasing a 1 through 6 seed in the playoffs and be in the play-in tournament every year.

SunManFromDogBone
SunManFromDogBone
19 days ago
Reply to  TheBigRagu

Bingo! Non play-in team even better.

SunManFromDogBone
SunManFromDogBone
20 days ago
Reply to  2qbn

What this demonstrates is that several NBA teams have made poor choices with top 5 selections. Just look at the names

Last edited 20 days ago by SunManFromDogBone
2qbn
2qbn
20 days ago

Well then if only GM’s could figure that out. lol

My friend that is part of the game. Giannis, Curry etc were not top 5 picks, as you know.

SunManFromDogBone
SunManFromDogBone
19 days ago
Reply to  2qbn

GMs are paid to make good decisions. If they don’t, in most cases, (except in Miami) they are fired. This front office needs an enema.

2015Heat
2015Heat
19 days ago
Reply to  2qbn

Great article, tanking as a get-rich-quick scheme is a great analogy. Even if the rules allowed it going forward, a team can tank for the next 50 years and not replicate what the Spurs did, effectively getting three straight #1 picks to draft two potential All-NBA players and potentially the greatest player of all time.

And OKC who is always cited as a tanking example would be nowhere without getting SGA (+16.5 with him on the court, only +4.2 with him off), which didn’t involve the draft

2015Heat
2015Heat
20 days ago

“It’s not an accident that teams like the Lakers, Clippers, Heat and Warriors all have lined up to have cap space in 2027 when Giannis can be a free agent, one NBA executive told ESPN”
https://www.totalprosports.com/nba/milwaukee-bucks/giannis-antetokounmpo-2027-sweepstakes-lakers-warriors-heat-clippers/

heat for life
heat for life
20 days ago
Reply to  2015Heat

he dissed la forget about them

2015Heat
2015Heat
19 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

Point is that multiple teams have been planning on being cap space teams in 2027, and it’s not an uncommon strategy limited to the Heat. Having the ability to sign Giannis outright in 2027 will help the Heat in a trade now.

2qbn
2qbn
20 days ago

Look at the Knicks homegrown talent! Oh wait. Never mind. 😛

Reality Czech
Reality Czech
19 days ago
Reply to  2qbn

I haven’t seen anyone state there is only one way to build a competitive team.

2qbn
2qbn
19 days ago
Reply to  Reality Czech

No but if we polled the site I would bet that tank/draft picks would probably be 50% or just over, no?

Reality Czech
Reality Czech
19 days ago
Reply to  2qbn

At least from the comments I’ve seen, it seems the majority of people are for trading for Giannis. On this page alone, it seems like 20 of the current 25 comments are for the trade.

heat for life
heat for life
19 days ago
Reply to  Reality Czech

proven star or maybe a star .we only drafted one all our best players acquired

Reality Czech
Reality Czech
19 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

I know what your opinion is. See above ⬆️.

2qbn
2qbn
19 days ago
Reply to  Reality Czech

Also, look at the article I posted that in. 😉

Reality Czech
Reality Czech
19 days ago
Reply to  2qbn

Hey, he still only counts as one person!

2qbn
2qbn
19 days ago
Reply to  Reality Czech

hahaha! Well played

heat for life
heat for life
19 days ago
Reply to  Reality Czech

im a one way poster u r a 2 way poster

vagibugi
vagibugi
20 days ago

They didn’t get the memo, true. Still, if there is great player available, you go for it. I mean great, not Bridges or Bane or Harden, George or Mitchell type. Those are not game changers, those are players which you need besides your superstar. somebody pay far too much for those.

Heat had Bam, they dont need another one of that type.

2qbn
2qbn
20 days ago
Reply to  vagibugi

Preach!

2015Heat
2015Heat
20 days ago

Giannis is ~top 20, 25 best players in history of the NBA, one of the best PF of all time. Averaged 33/15/7 a year ago in playoffs. A one man top 10 offense. Like in 2019 with Butler, if that type of player wants to join your team its a good thing.

Last edited 20 days ago by 2015Heat
vagibugi
vagibugi
20 days ago
Reply to  2015Heat

agree.

SunManFromDogBone
SunManFromDogBone
20 days ago

Not every team needs to star hunt to maintain relevance. Most don’t. But for the Heat, that’s been their only source the last half-decade, losing sight of what makes a championship team a championship team and how they’re constructed.

  • It isn’t the Heat’s relevance Riley has been hunting to maintain, its his own. In so doing, he has not kept current on what it takes to construct a championship team.

Instead, they’re chasing the euphoria felt 16 seasons ago. The most baffling proposition is how poorly they prepared for Giannis and every other star it’s pursued. Nevertheless, at the end of the day, it will be in their best interest to take a step back — figuratively and literally — and learn from its mistakes.

  • Its like the first high on heroin or crack. Its addictive and very hard to quit. Riley is still chasing that first high and doesn’t have the discipline to take a step back, catch his breath and thoroughly look at the short and long term ramifications of all his options. Sometimes, all that glitters is not gold.

Time will tell if they do. And if they don’t, they’re going to continue being left behind by the rest of the league and, most importantly, the stars eluding them.

  • If Miami demonstrates it can build a strong, young defensive team with a solid core/foundation, top tier players will want to play there. The team has the beginning of that foundation and should be able improve it with upcoming draft picks, trades and free agent signings. Otherwise, trades will be made out of desperation or the team will continue to suffer from management’s paralysis while the rest of the league continues moving forward.
heat for life
heat for life
20 days ago

the only negative to greek is style of play age injury history.w/o a j he plays the jjj game of driving to the hoop where he gets lots of contact.those hits build up and body typically will break down..we would need another star brought in with him to have a chance for jewelry.when knicks got jb they continued to add add and add.i have no faith in pat anymore i think alot of gms dont like him and dont want to deal with him.its a family biz so we’re stuck with him until he wants out.

2qbn
2qbn
20 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

Spo would create an offense to ease some of that burden just like he did for Lebron, which ended up being the most efficient version of Lebron in his career. I would think Giannis has that ability in him if given a similar battle plan.

heat for life
heat for life
20 days ago
Reply to  2qbn

bam ware couldnt figure it out.lets hope bam greek can figure it out if we get him which i hope we do.no ??s asked u get him.if we dont we will be irrelevant for a while

2qbn
2qbn
20 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

So you are comparing Bam and Ware to Giannis, a two two MVP and a Finals MVP? Interesting choice on your part. 😉

Last edited 20 days ago by 2qbn
heat for life
heat for life
19 days ago
Reply to  2qbn

Its bball iq how to play together on the ct.bam ware couldnt figure it out

2qbn
2qbn
19 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

I’m not positive Ware even likes playing basketball. Appears to play it because of his size and can make money but I don’t sense any care in the flow or understanding the game. If he’s not traded I’ll be glad for him to prove me wrong. So far though it was his big knock coming out of college and it’s playing out that way.

Last edited 19 days ago by 2qbn
Reality Czech
Reality Czech
19 days ago
Reply to  2qbn

I wouldn’t argue about his motivation or understanding of the game. But a 22 year old player that achieves 11/9/39.5% 3p% on 22 mpg isn’t bad for a second year player.

heat for life
heat for life
19 days ago
Reply to  Reality Czech

just think if he had a motor what he might be

Reality Czech
Reality Czech
19 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

Who is to say what he will become? I think we will get a better idea in his third year, whether he is here or elsewhere.

SunManFromDogBone
SunManFromDogBone
19 days ago
Reply to  Reality Czech

If he turns out to be the top rebounder in the NBA along with the center with the highest 3pt% and an evolving defensive game, I think trading him would be known as “Riley’s folly.”

Big_guy305
19 days ago

I feel like he could be a multiple time rebound leader at least 2 or 3 times. Yes his ever evolving 3pt shot acc is impressive, he’s already better then most bigs shooting at this age. He just needs 30 mins a night to see the full potential, even with motor concerns, he would get you 12 boards instead of 9. I don’t want ware to go, so I’ll be sad, if he is traded. But Wouldn’t be surprised tho cuz that’s been Riley’s bread and butter move, since forever.

SunManFromDogBone
SunManFromDogBone
19 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

Or a coach who knew how to motivate him in order to get the most out of him instead of brow beating him.

2qbn
2qbn
19 days ago

Stop it. Ware was at two different schools and it was the same issue. Now maybe none of the 3 coaches were the right tone for how Ware might listen, but let’s not pretend as if this is just a Spo issue. So far it’s been a Ware issue.

2qbn
2qbn
19 days ago
Reply to  Reality Czech

Hey, I was on record wanting the Heat to draft him, so hoping we see that next level if he is still here.

Those stats made me go back and check on Whiteside and when he was given those minutes he was at 11-10, so funny coincidence.

Reality Czech
Reality Czech
19 days ago
Reply to  2qbn

But ain’t nobody else doin it with blocks

2qbn
2qbn
19 days ago
Reply to  Reality Czech

Soft hands, Eric!

2015Heat
2015Heat
19 days ago
Reply to  heat for life

Heat were -1.7 with Ware on the court this year, +4.2 with him off, -5.9 net. That’s the reason the Bam Ware lineup played limited minutes. Heat were among the worst defensive rebounding teams in the NBA with Ware on, -4.7 in DRB% in his minutes.

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